Hi Mayka,

Yes indeed. I do recall. Sorry that I forgot to mention you as someone Anthony labeled as "allies".

:-)

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On 4/15/2011 7:34 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:

JMJM;
I have sometimes refer the heart in some postings. If I haven't use that term much is because I was taking for granted that everyone knows what the heart is, if not by terminology, It certainly by sensing, feeling it. It's with the heart that the practise unfolds its real wisdom. Differently it all would be mental!. I have said more than once than the heart is the engine of the universe. Nothing truly alive is possible without it. Not everthing is on detriment to emotional, sensitive people and our great advantage here is the heart. Though some may argue here that the emotions are not in the heart and that that is an illusion.
Mayka
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
    To: [email protected]
    Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 14:54

    Anthony,  Ally is not important.  So far no one that I know in
    this forum said anything about the heart.  And it has been what
    six or seven years now, I am still talking about the heart and you
    are still asking and Bill continue rejecting the chi.  These are
    all labels in the first place.

    That's what life is.  That's what Chan is.  Everything is as is.

    The key is to recognize that we are all driven by karma.

    :-)

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    On 4/15/2011 6:16 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
    JM,
    Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light
    on the 'heart' and the mind.
    Anthony

    --- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
    /<[email protected]>
    <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>/*
    wrote:


        From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
        <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
        Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
        To: [email protected]
        <http://uk.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
        Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM

        Hi  Anthony,

        I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or
        definition of words.  I am not saying whether I am correct or
        wrong.  At the beginning of my journey I am like you.  I
        struggle with these terms as well.  As I said, it took me six
        year to conquer my terminology.

        Actually, all my posts are from my experience.  My experience
        like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the
        brain.  It is a whole body experience.  And this experience
        coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time
        passes.

        Don't mean to confuse you.  I also like to say, in my states,
        there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and
        lights.  The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori,
        or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is
        labeled as vital energy by Daniel.

        Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by
        Bill. :-)

        It is not important what I say or experience.  It is only
        important what you experience.  As you well know, Buddha said
        clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.

        Best,  JM

        Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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        On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
        JM,
        What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference
        between 'mind' and 'heart'?
        Anthony

        --- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
        /<[email protected]>
        <http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>/*
        wrote:


            From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
            <[email protected]>
            <http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
            Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
            To: [email protected]
            
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
            Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM

            Wow,  Thank you ED.  I have watched the first one.

            HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years,
            "Our Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi
            or Chi."

            Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to
            wake up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our
            mind.  It is about our entire being.  And at the center
            of it, is our heart.

That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED. Lovely day today.
            :-)
            JM

            BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond
            Sutra is on youtube with English subtitle.
            http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I

            Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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            On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
            Mike,  two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this
            guy as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has
            good things to say about the Heart.   --ED
            The Three Dimensions of Release
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
            <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1>   Part 1
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related> Part 2


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