Anthony, I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a step backward, in my practice (my intuition says 'forward' for me, but not necessarily for other people), but due to recent happenings I can empathise alot more with where JM is coming from. Before last week.JM's language was utterly alien to me and seemed to have no connection with the Zen I was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. I think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and 'heart' can be dry and a little compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's hard reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy' worshiping. That might not make sense to most, if not all here, but it does to me. Further, I don't think Zen is completely removed from notions such as chi, chakras etc. After all, in some schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as a place of holding energy. It is this that is cut in seppeku (hara kiri) to release a person's ki (chi).
Mike ________________________________ From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28 Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release JM, Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on the 'heart' and the mind. Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release >To: [email protected] >Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM > > > >Hi Anthony, > >I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of words. >I >am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of my journey I >am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six >year to conquer my terminology. > >Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's >youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body >experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's >teaching as time passes. > > >Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no mind >and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is that >state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, >which >is labeled as vital energy by Daniel. > >Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-) > >It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you >experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He >said >NO dharma. > >Best, JM > >Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >http://www.heartchan.org > >On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > >>JM, >> >>What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and >>'heart'? >> >>Anthony >> >>--- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM >>> >>> >>> >>>Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one. >>> >>>HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen, or inner >>>divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi." >>> >>>Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up to the fact >>>that our Teaching is not about our mind. It is about our entire being. And >>>at >>>the center of it, is our heart. >>> >>>That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED. >>>Lovely >>>day today. >>>:-) >>>JM >>> >>>BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on youtube >>>with >>>English subtitle. >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I >>> >>>Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>>http://www.heartchan.org >>> >>>On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as knowing what >>>>he >>>>is talking about. JM, he has good things to say about the Heart. --ED >>>> >>>>The Three Dimensions of Release >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1 Part 1 >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2
