Anthony, You are learning well, grasshopper...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > JM, >  > Your remark that 'we are all driven by karma' will cause Bill to give you 30 > cane beatings. >  > Anthony > > > --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 9:54 PM > > >  > > > > Anthony, Ally is not important. So far no one that I know in this forum > said anything about the heart. And it has been what six or seven years now, > I am still talking about the heart and you are still asking and Bill continue > rejecting the chi. These are all labels in the first place. > > That's what life is. That's what Chan is. Everything is as is. > > The key is to recognize that we are all driven by karma. > > :-) > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > On 4/15/2011 6:16 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: >  > > > > > > > JM, >  > Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on the > 'heart' and the mind. >  > Anthony > > --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM > > >  > > Hi Anthony, > > I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of > words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of > my journey I am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said, > it took me six year to conquer my terminology. > > Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's > youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body > experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's > teaching as time passes. > > Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no > mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is > that state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without > chi, which is labeled as vital energy by Daniel. > > Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-) > > It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you > experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He > said NO dharma. > > Best, JM > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >  > > > > > > > JM, >  > What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and > 'heart'? >  > Anthony > > --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM > > >  > > Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one. > > HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen, or inner > divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi." > > Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up to the fact > that our Teaching is not about our mind. It is about our entire being. > And at the center of it, is our heart. > > That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED. > Lovely day today. > :-) > JM > > BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on youtube with > English subtitle. > http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote: >  > >  > Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as knowing what > he is talking about. JM, he has good things to say about the Heart.  > --ED  > The Three Dimensions of Release > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1  Part 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2 > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
