Ah, thank you Mike. Do you know what I just found out?
Jhana in Chinese is Chan. So, I guess naturally that's also what Zen is.
:-)
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http://www.heartchan.org
On 4/15/2011 9:53 PM, mike brown wrote:
Anthony,
I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a step backward, in my
practice (my intuition says 'forward' for me, but not necessarily for
other people), but due to recent happenings I can empathise alot more
with where JM is coming from. Before last week.JM's language was
utterly alien to me and seemed to have no connection with the Zen I
was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. I think Zen without
incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and 'heart' can be dry and a
little compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's hard reality is a
little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy' worshiping. That might not make
sense to most, if not all here, but it does to me. Further, I don't
think Zen is completely removed from notions such as chi, chakras etc.
After all, in some schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as a place
of holding energy. It is this that is cut in seppeku (hara kiri) to
release a person's ki (chi).
Mike
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*From:* Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
JM,
Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on the
'heart' and the mind.
Anthony
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM
Hi Anthony,
I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition
of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the
beginning of my journey I am like you. I struggle with these
terms as well. As I said, it took me six year to conquer my
terminology.
Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like
Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It
is a whole body experience. And this experience coincide more and
more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes.
Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states,
there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights.
The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori, or even just
Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is labeled as vital
energy by Daniel.
Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-)
It is not important what I say or experience. It is only
important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said
clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.
Best, JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JM,
What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between
'mind' and 'heart'?
Anthony
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/<[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>/*
wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM
Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one.
HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our
Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi."
Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake
up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our mind. It
is about our entire being. And at the center of it, is our
heart.
That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you
again, ED. Lovely day today.
:-)
JM
BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is
on youtube with English subtitle.
http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL
Can
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On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy
as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good things
to say about the Heart. --ED
The Three Dimensions of Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1> Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related> Part
2
