Mike wrote:
"I think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and
'heart' can be dry and a little compassionless, but maybe Chan without
Zen's hard reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy'
worshiping".
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To me in the real essence of zen any adjectives are out of place. To
me zen is the ultimate step one does. Many people embrace zen without
been ready for it. As they are not ready they become arrogant
individualistic pricks cold as ice. Even when zen is something
available to everyone the same, more and more my imimpressionith it is
that it's only suitable and of real benefit for a minority of people
who have already in them a sense of non separation, unity, universal
oneness and therefore a heart. Differently, agree with you that we
need from other sources in your case the Jhanas in my case TNH zen
buddhism and and the image created in my mind as a model of the heart
in Jesuschrist beyond any religious institution. Zen doesn't lack of
anything but we do.
Mayka
--- On *Sat, 16/4/11, mike brown /<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: mike brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 5:53
Anthony,
I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a step backward, in my
practice (my intuition says 'forward' for me, but not necessarily
for other people), but due to recent happenings I can empathise
alot more with where JM is coming from. Before last week.JM's
language was utterly alien to me and seemed to have no connection
with the Zen I was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. I think
Zen without incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and 'heart' can
be dry and a little compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's
hard reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy'
worshiping. That might not make sense to most, if not all here,
but it does to me. Further, I don't think Zen is completely
removed from notions such as chi, chakras etc. After all, in some
schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as a place of holding
energy. It is this that is cut in seppeku (hara kiri) to release a
person's ki (chi).
Mike
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*From:* Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
JM,
Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on
the 'heart' and the mind.
Anthony
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM
Hi Anthony,
I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or
definition of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or
wrong. At the beginning of my journey I am like you. I
struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six
year to conquer my terminology.
Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience
like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the
brain. It is a whole body experience. And this experience
coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes.
Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states,
there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and
lights. The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori,
or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is
labeled as vital energy by Daniel.
Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by
Bill. :-)
It is not important what I say or experience. It is only
important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said
clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma.
Best, JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JM,
What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference
between 'mind' and 'heart'?
Anthony
--- On *Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/<[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>/*
wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc774.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM
Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one.
HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years,
"Our Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or
Chi."
Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to
wake up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our
mind. It is about our entire being. And at the center
of it, is our heart.
That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank
you again, ED. Lovely day today.
:-)
JM
BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond
Sutra is on youtube with English subtitle.
http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL
Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this
guy as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good
things to say about the Heart. --ED
The Three Dimensions of Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1> Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related>
Part 2
