Bill, It is said that zen literature has surpassed Theravada, Mahayana or Vajrayana in volumes, though zen masters keep saying 'shut up, shut up'. So I am just following the lower case zen. As regards your big stick, as I said, I have had a demon (yak) protect me, so be careful. Anthony
--- On Sun, 10/7/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 8:41 AM Anthony, You talk to much! Like a doting old grandmother! Better you just keep your mouth shut, turn around and walk away. Unless of course you want the Big Stick! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Mel, >  > There are plenty of zen quotations to the effect of killing Buddha. >  > One of them, 'when you meet Buddha on the road, kill him.' >  > To a lesser degree, 'when you utter the word Buddha, wash your mouth > completely.' >  > To a more degree by Unmon Zen Master, 'Too bad I wasn't there when Buddha > made his 7 steps in each direction, and exclaimed, 'in heaven and on earth I > am the most worthy of honor', as soon as he was born. If I had been, I would > have struck him death and fed his body to hungry dogs.' >  > You are right that no Middle Eastern religions ever come close as that > statement. IMO, those remarks are aimed at ridding you of all attachments, > including the most sacred ones. >  > Anthony > > --- On Sat, 9/7/11, Mel <gunnar19632000@...> wrote: > > > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 9 July, 2011, 10:45 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > With my lack of interest in too much ritual and ceremony, I doubt that I > could be described as a Zen Buddhist. As far as I'm concerned, you bow once > when you enter the room, and then once on your way out. The Soto group I was > with also had these naming ceremonies and robes which I never really took > to. However, I have stuck to(well, sort of) the Soto way of things as I never > liked this Rinzai obssession with koans. Unlike Bill, I use 'zen' and Zen > whichever one fits my mood at any given moment, but neither wording changes > what I do >  > Urged to kill the teacher? I may be misunderstanding your wordings here, but > morals and compassion in the Hebrew sense is not where I am here. I'm not > sure I understand your question completely >  > in Buddha's grace > Mel > > --- On Sun, 10/7/11, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > > From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > To: [email protected] > Received: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 12:09 AM > > >  > > > > > > > Mel, >  > Then how can you be a zen Buddhist while you are urged to kill your teacher? >  > Anthony > > --- On Sat, 9/7/11, Mel <gunnar19632000@...> wrote: > > > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@...> > Subject: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 9 July, 2011, 7:53 PM > > >  > > > > > > > Being a devout Christian and a practitioner of zen is basically an > impossiblity. One has an actual god that one obeys without question, and the > other one which is zen/Zen, doesn't >  > in Buddha's grace > Mel >
