Anthony, Some say zen has 'surpassed' earlier versions of Buddhism and some say it has 'corrupted' them.
I say it has 'distilled' them down into only the bare essense. Out of my respect for your yak I will spare you 40 blows this time. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, > Â > It is said that zen literature has surpassed Theravada, Mahayana or Vajrayana > in volumes, though zen masters keep saying 'shut up, shut up'. So I am just > following the lower case zen. > Â > As regards your big stick, as I said, I have had a demon (yak) protect me, so > be careful. > Â > Anthony > > --- On Sun, 10/7/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 8:41 AM > > > Â > > > > Anthony, > > You talk to much! Like a doting old grandmother! > Better you just keep your mouth shut, turn around and walk away. > > Unless of course you want the Big Stick! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Mel, > > ÃÂ > > There are plenty of zen quotations to the effect of killing Buddha. > > ÃÂ > > One of them, 'when you meet Buddha on the road, kill him.' > > ÃÂ > > To a lesser degree, 'when you utter the word Buddha, wash your mouth > > completely.' > > ÃÂ > > To a more degree by Unmon Zen Master, 'Too bad I wasn't there when Buddha > > made his 7 steps in each direction, and exclaimed, 'in heaven and on earth > > I am the most worthy of honor', as soon as he was born. If I had been, I > > would have struck him death and fed his body to hungry dogs.' > > ÃÂ > > You are right that no Middle Eastern religions ever come close as that > > statement. IMO, those remarks are aimed at ridding you of all attachments, > > including the most sacred ones. > > ÃÂ > > Anthony > > > > --- On Sat, 9/7/11, Mel <gunnar19632000@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, 9 July, 2011, 10:45 PM > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my lack of interest in too much ritual and ceremony, I doubt thatÃÂ I > > could be described as a Zen Buddhist. As far as I'm concerned, you bow once > > when you enter the room, and then once on your way out. The Soto group I > > was with also had these naming ceremonies and robesÃÂ which I never really > > took to. However, I have stuck to(well, sort of) the Soto way of things as > > I never liked this Rinzai obssession with koans. Unlike Bill, I use 'zen' > > and Zen whichever one fits my mood at any given moment, but neither wording > > changes what I do > > ÃÂ > > Urged to kill the teacher? I may be misunderstanding your wordings here, > > but morals and compassion in the Hebrew sense is not where I am here. I'm > > not sure I understand your question completely > > ÃÂ > > in Buddha's grace > > Mel > > > > --- On Sun, 10/7/11, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > > To: [email protected] > > Received: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 12:09 AM > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mel, > > ÃÂ > > Then how can you be a zen Buddhist while you are urged to kill your teacher? > > ÃÂ > > Anthony > > > > --- On Sat, 9/7/11, Mel <gunnar19632000@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@> > > Subject: [Zen] Zen and Christianity are incompatible > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, 9 July, 2011, 7:53 PM > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being a devout Christian and a practitioner of zen is basically an > > impossiblity. One has an actual god that one obeys without question, and > > the other one which is zen/Zen, doesn't > > ÃÂ > > in Buddha's grace > > Mel > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
