Perhaps. Perhaps not. Think what you will. You have no other choice, nor do I. Any understaning of this, "tacit" or otherwise, a delusion. No problem, as long as you and I can still laugh and cry.

KG

On 9/2/2012 5:35 PM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,

Don't we come here with the tacit understanding that any words used here cannot capture the ineffable? I think you know exactly what I mean, you rascal.

Mike



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*From:* Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Sunday, 2 September 2012, 20:11
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"

Self appears/is born. No-self doesn't appear/is unborn. Realize these are but aspects of mind, no difference.

KG


On 9/2/2012 12:05 PM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,

Very good! You must have given that a lot of thought ; )

>Self can be found nowhere else

Of course. Self/Buddha Nature/Awareness is unborn (and therefore never dies) and so is ever present regardless of what we are thinking/doing. But suffering arises when we think there is an independent 'I' having those thoughts. That we have this Realisation is the difference. How this Realisation manifests is unimportant. For some it will be sudden for others gradual. But you're correct that Self alwaysis.

Mke

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*From:* Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, 2 September 2012, 15:42
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"

On 9/2/2012 7:05 AM, mike brown wrote:
> But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath.

A tri-ku for you:

With each rise and fall
The breath is grasped and released
Each, a birth and death

Immersed in thinking
Self can be found nowhere else
Always lost in thought

Mind, a stream of thought
Following, or flowing by
The way, like water







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