A clean bowl is realization...Bill!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> Exactly.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:35
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>
>
> Â
> Mike,
>
> Yes, the problem with these pithy 'in crowd' Zen sayings is that bowls can be
> washed WITHOUT realization just as they can be WITH realization...
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
>
> Â
> >
> >
> >Bill!,
> >
> >A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions were
> >given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a long time
> >and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how useful that
> >instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street asking about the
> >search for truth or something similar. Joshu's instruction is just that - an
> >instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's skilful means (upaya) is so
> >useful as a teaching method. On the one side we can have the direct pointing
> >to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we can have Therevada Buddhism with
> >it's more step by step instructions, such as following the Noble eightfold
> >Path.
> >
> >The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different kinds
> >of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will work
> for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't
> going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say that
> might help him?
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48
> >Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
> >
> >
> >Â
> >ED,
> >
> >Mind if Joshu and I jump in?
> >
> >"WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu)
> >
> >--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Edgar,
> >>
> >> And how is this magic trick accomplished?
> >>
> >> --ED
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ED,
> >> >
> >> > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
> >> >
> >> > Edgar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > Edgar,
> >> > >
> >> > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice
> >> > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind?
> >> > >
> >> > > --ED
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > > Joe and Merle,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which
> >> you
> >> > > imagine you are incomplete....
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential
> >> aspect
> >> > > of realization...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Wham!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Edgar
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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