;>)
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> There's still a bowl?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:51
> Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>
>
> Â
> A clean bowl is realization...Bill!
>
> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > Edgar,
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:35
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > Mike,
> >
> > Yes, the problem with these pithy 'in crowd' Zen sayings is that bowls can
> > be washed WITHOUT realization just as they can be WITH realization...
> >
> > Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > >
> > >
> > >Bill!,
> > >
> > >A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions
> > >were given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a
> > >long time and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how
> > >useful that instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street
> > >asking about the search for truth or something similar. Joshu's
> > >instruction is just that - an instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's
> > >skilful means (upaya) is so useful as a teaching method. On the one side
> > >we can have the direct pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we
> > >can have Therevada Buddhism with it's more step by step instructions, such
> > >as following the Noble eightfold Path.
> > >
> > >The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different kinds
> > >of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will work
> > for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't
> > going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say
> > that might help him?
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48
> > >Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
> > >
> > >
> > >ÃÂ
> > >ED,
> > >
> > >Mind if Joshu and I jump in?
> > >
> > >"WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu)
> > >
> > >--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Edgar,
> > >>
> > >> And how is this magic trick accomplished?
> > >>
> > >> --ED
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > ED,
> > >> >
> > >> > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
> > >> >
> > >> > Edgar
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > Edgar,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice
> > >> > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --ED
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > > Joe and Merle,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which
> > >> you
> > >> > > imagine you are incomplete....
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential
> > >> aspect
> > >> > > of realization...
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Wham!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Edgar
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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