Bill! -
Yes, I get it.
--ED
PS: Why is the Zen forum brimming with ideation, thinking and chatter?
--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
Mike, Point taken, but this is the Zen Forum, not the Theravada Forum or
the
Here-Have-Some-More-Rice-Gruel Forum.
ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit.
...Bill!
--- In [email protected]
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=Oe8RxEELkk4LlxKIsGo\
pf5BWHo31omn062yWmx7jvNh6Ep0h48cuLk_ZStWKGZqaGNS_OT_7uPbuE1EcdvY3hA> ,
mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions
were
given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a long
time and
was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how useful that
instruction
would be to a neophyte coming off the street asking about the search for
truth
or something similar. Joshu's instruction is just that - an instruction.
That's
why i believe Buddha's skilful means (upaya) is so useful as a teaching
method.
On the one side we can have the direct pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and
on the
other we can have Therevada Buddhism with it's more step by step
instructions,
such as following the Noble eightfold Path.
>
> The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different
kinds of
people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will work
for
all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't
going to
work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say that
might help
him?
>
> Mike
> ED,
>
> Mind if Joshu and I jump in?
>
> "WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu)
> > Edgar,
> >
> > And how is this magic trick accomplished?
> >
> > --ED
> > > ED,
> > >
> > > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
> > >
> > > Edgar
> > > > Edgar,
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice
> > > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind?
> > > >
> > > > --ED
> > > > > Joe and Merle,
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without
which
> > you
> > > > imagine you are incomplete....
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential
> > aspect
> > > > of realization...
> > > > >
> > > > > Wham!
> > > > >
> > > > > Edgar
