Bill!, So you echoe Edgar's girl in saying 'moo'. Anthony
________________________________ From: billsmart <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:01 Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA Anthony, Moo! ...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill!/Merle, >  > At least the way Tibetan monks conduct sex rituals sounds like treating women > like cattle. That is in the name of reaching highest compassion > and emptiness in the process. >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 16:46 > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >  > He (IMO) is just a walking bumper-sticker machine. How could you take anyone > seriously who purports to be a big-time Buddhist teacher while encouraging > his people to cling to their attachments to their culture and language, and > supports a theocracy which enslaves and exploits non-clerics by keeping them > in ignorance and treats women like cattle? > > ...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > >  bill that's not very nice...i have many of his books...and his > > teachings are sound...merle > > > > > >  > > Anthony, > > > > Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just > > another out-of-work politician...Bill! > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > Edgar, > > > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it > > > sound reasonalbe? > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > >  > > > Anthony, > > > > > > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing > > > > wine, the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order > > > > to qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? > > > > > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > > > > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Edgar, > > > >> > > > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this > > > >> attachment to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but > > > >> then instead of releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the > > > >> other chakras flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being > > > >> and fill it with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being > > > >> glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha > > > >> Nature back out into the universe...' > > > >> > > > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual > > > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? > > > >> > > > >> Anthony > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> > > > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 > > > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi Mike, > > > >>> > > > >>> I rarely use most of the old words > > > >>> from the texts since I find many of > > > >>> them confused and overlapping. > > > >> The very nature of words. > > > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment > > > >> is always welcome. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but > > > >>> don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST > > > >>> attachments men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true > > > >>> nature, a biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the > > > >>> species no matter at what cost! > > > >>> > > > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to > > > >>> generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > > > >>> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras > > > >>> flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it > > > >>> with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi > > > >>> in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back > > > >>> out into the universe... > > > >>> > > > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... > > > >>> > > > >>> Edgar > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Edgar, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem > > > >>>> to see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as > > > >>>> illusion is still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha > > > >>>> Nature. Fair enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana > > > >>>> understanding of Mara. I see Mara as originally understood - the > > > >>>> temptation of the senses that leads us to suffering. I can see the > > > >>>> overlaps tho, so I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see > > > >>>> the world as contin gent and consciousness arises differently > > > >>>> depending on what condition presents. For example, If I hear the > > > >>>> sound of high heels coming towards me, my mind begins formulating > > > >>>> the idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows > > > >>>> along and so my heart beat increases, adrenalin is released along > > > >>>> with some serotonin etc etc. I then build a story/mental formation > > > >>>> onto this and might start imagining meeting this woman (still > > > >>>> unseen!) and... well, you know the rest. All from > > the > > > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the > > > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur > > > > from moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating > > > > from the micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it > > > > never hurts to see the bigger picture. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mike > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ________________________________ > > > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mike and Kris, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world > > > >>>> of forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. > > > >>>> Properly realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but > > > >>>> a manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken > > > >>>> for the whole of reality rather than being realized as a > > > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature itself. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Edgar > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Kris, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. > > > >>>>>> Abiding as whatever presents. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness > > > >>>>> arises with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). > > > >>>>> But it's how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of > > > >>>>> whether we suffer... or not. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, > > > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will > > > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If > > > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but > > > >>>>> we live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention > > > >>>>> to each and every moment. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Nice. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be > > > >>>>>> mindful you don't reject it. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to > > > >>>>> you, but your enemies closer ; ) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Mike > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> > > > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Kris, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow > > > >>>>>> sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know > > > >>>>>> what's just around the corner ready to befall us. In order to > > > >>>>>> "realise" suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to what > > > >>>>>> impacts on us - not to just the external stimuli, but also to how > > > >>>>>> we react to them inwardly. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent > > > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other > > > >>>>> than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort > > > >>>>> to maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take > > > >>>>> great effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not > > > >>>>> abiding take great effort to maintain.].)... > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is > > > >>>>> sufficient. ;) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara > > > >>>>>> from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no > > > >>>>>> over-riding state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment > > > >>>>>> will eradicate the potential to suffer at any time. All we can do > > > >>>>>> is constantly practice mindfulness until our mind isn't so > > > >>>>>> restless and we can be more aware of those first stirrings of the > > > >>>>>> mind to be so reactive. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was > > > >>>>> born to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see > > > >>>>> it was never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no > > > >>>>> realization of other. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be > > > >>>>> mindful you don't reject it. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KG > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
