Edgar, Yes please show them how and post the results here. Anthony
________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 21:32 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA Those girls just need to keep trying harder! Practice makes perfect! Or maybe I should show them how? :-) Edgar On Sep 14, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > >Edgar, > >At least I know of two examples where giirls don't reach enlightenment orgasms >in those tantra rituals: June Campbell and a Buthanese women who appealed to >the king to ban the rituals. They were used by their partners to reach >enlightenment orgasms, or orgasms without enlightenment. > >I believe some women may like the ritual and scream, but am not sure what >percentage. > >Anthony > > > > > >________________________________ >From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 19:50 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > >Anthony, > > >Don't be silly. The girls reach enlightenment orgasms in those Tantra rituals. > > >And when they come they scream "MU!" >:-) > > >Edgar > > > > > > >On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > >> >> >>Bill!/Merle, >> >>At least the way Tibetan monks conduct sex rituals sounds like treating women >>like cattle. That is in the name of reaching highest compassion and emptiness >>in the process. >> >>Anthony >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: Bill! <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 16:46 >>Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> >> >> >>He (IMO) is just a walking bumper-sticker machine. How could you take anyone >>seriously who purports to be a big-time Buddhist teacher while encouraging >>his people to cling to their attachments to their culture and language, and >>supports a theocracy which enslaves and exploits non-clerics by keeping them >>in ignorance and treats women like cattle? >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> >>wrote: >>> >>>  bill that's not very nice...i have many of his books...and his teachings >>> are sound...merle >>> >>> >>>  >>> Anthony, >>> >>> Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just >>> another out-of-work politician...Bill! >>> >>> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Edgar, >>> > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it >>> > sound reasonalbe? >>> > Anthony >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> >>> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>> > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 >>> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>> > >>> > >>> >  >>> > Anthony, >>> > >>> > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? >>> > >>> > Edgar >>> > >>> > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >>> > >>> > > Edgar, >>> > > >>> > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing >>> > > wine, the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order >>> > > to qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? >>> > > >>> > > Anthony >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ________________________________ >>> > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >>> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>> > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 >>> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Hi Anthony, >>> > > >>> > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... >>> > > >>> > > Edgar >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Edgar, >>> > >> >>> > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this >>> > >> attachment to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but >>> > >> then instead of releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the >>> > >> other chakras flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being >>> > >> and fill it with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being >>> > >> glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha >>> > >> Nature back out into the universe...' >>> > >> >>> > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual >>> > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? >>> > >> >>> > >> Anthony >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> ________________________________ >>> > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> >>> > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Hi Mike, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I rarely use most of the old words >>> > >>> from the texts since I find many of >>> > >>> them confused and overlapping. >>> > >> The very nature of words. >>> > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment >>> > >> is always welcome. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but >>> > >>> don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST >>> > >>> attachments men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true >>> > >>> nature, a biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the >>> > >>> species no matter at what cost! >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to >>> > >>> generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of >>> > >>> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras >>> > >>> flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it >>> > >>> with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi >>> > >>> in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back >>> > >>> out into the universe... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Edgar >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Edgar, >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem >>> > >>>> to see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as >>> > >>>> illusion is still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha >>> > >>>> Nature. Fair enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana >>> > >>>> understanding of Mara. I see Mara as originally understood - the >>> > >>>> temptation of the senses that leads us to suffering. I can see the >>> > >>>> overlaps tho, so I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see >>> > >>>> the world as contin gent and consciousness arises differently >>> > >>>> depending on what condition presents. For example, If I hear the >>> > >>>> sound of high heels coming towards me, my mind begins formulating >>> > >>>> the idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows >>> > >>>> along and so my heart beat increases, adrenalin is released along >>> > >>>> with some serotonin etc etc. I then build a story/mental formation >>> > >>>> onto this and might start imagining meeting this woman (still >>> > >>>> unseen!) and... well, you know the rest. All from >>> the >>> > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the >>> > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur >>> > > from moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating >>> > > from the micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it >>> > > never hurts to see the bigger picture. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Mike >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> ________________________________ >>> > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >>> > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 >>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Mike and Kris, >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world >>> > >>>> of forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. >>> > >>>> Properly realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but >>> > >>>> a manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken >>> > >>>> for the whole of reality rather than being realized as a >>> > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature itself. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Edgar >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Kris, >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. >>> > >>>>>> Abiding as whatever presents. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness >>> > >>>>> arises with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). >>> > >>>>> But it's how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of >>> > >>>>> whether we suffer... or not. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, >>> > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will >>> > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If >>> > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but >>> > >>>>> we live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention >>> > >>>>> to each and every moment. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Nice. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be >>> > >>>>>> mindful you don't reject it. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to >>> > >>>>> you, but your enemies closer ; ) >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Mike >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> ________________________________ >>> > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> >>> > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 >>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> Kris, >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. >>> > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow >>> > >>>>>> sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know >>> > >>>>>> what's just around the corner ready to befall us. In order to >>> > >>>>>> "realise" suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to what >>> > >>>>>> impacts on us - not to just the external stimuli, but also to how >>> > >>>>>> we react to them inwardly. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent >>> > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other >>> > >>>>> than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort >>> > >>>>> to maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take >>> > >>>>> great effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not >>> > >>>>> abiding take great effort to maintain.].)... >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is >>> > >>>>> sufficient. ;) >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara >>> > >>>>>> from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no >>> > >>>>>> over-riding state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment >>> > >>>>>> will eradicate the potential to suffer at any time. All we can do >>> > >>>>>> is constantly practice mindfulness until our mind isn't so >>> > >>>>>> restless and we can be more aware of those first stirrings of the >>> > >>>>>> mind to be so reactive. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was >>> > >>>>> born to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see >>> > >>>>> it was never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no >>> > >>>>> realization of other. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be >>> > >>>>> mindful you don't reject it. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> KG >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
