Those girls just need to keep trying harder! Practice makes perfect!
Or maybe I should show them how? :-) Edgar On Sep 14, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Edgar, > > At least I know of two examples where giirls don't reach enlightenment > orgasms in those tantra rituals: June Campbell and a Buthanese women who > appealed to the king to ban the rituals. They were used by their partners to > reach enlightenment orgasms, or orgasms without enlightenment. > > I believe some women may like the ritual and scream, but am not sure what > percentage. > > Anthony > > > > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 19:50 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > Anthony, > > Don't be silly. The girls reach enlightenment orgasms in those Tantra rituals. > > And when they come they scream "MU!" > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: > >> >> >> Bill!/Merle, >> >> At least the way Tibetan monks conduct sex rituals sounds like treating >> women like cattle. That is in the name of reaching highest compassion and >> emptiness in the process. >> >> Anthony >> >> From: Bill! <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 16:46 >> Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> >> >> He (IMO) is just a walking bumper-sticker machine. How could you take anyone >> seriously who purports to be a big-time Buddhist teacher while encouraging >> his people to cling to their attachments to their culture and language, and >> supports a theocracy which enslaves and exploits non-clerics by keeping them >> in ignorance and treats women like cattle? >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> >> wrote: >> > >> >  bill that's not very nice...i have many of his books...and his teachings >> > are sound...merle >> > >> > >> >  >> > Anthony, >> > >> > Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just >> > another out-of-work politician...Bill! >> > >> > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Edgar, >> > > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it >> > > sound reasonalbe? >> > > Anthony >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> >> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 >> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> > > >> > > >> > >  >> > > Anthony, >> > > >> > > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >> > > >> > > > Edgar, >> > > > >> > > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing >> > > > wine, the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in >> > > > order to qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? >> > > > >> > > > Anthony >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ________________________________ >> > > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >> > > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 >> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Anthony, >> > > > >> > > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... >> > > > >> > > > Edgar >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Edgar, >> > > >> >> > > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this >> > > >> attachment to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but >> > > >> then instead of releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the >> > > >> other chakras flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being >> > > >> and fill it with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being >> > > >> glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates >> > > >> Buddha Nature back out into the universe...' >> > > >> >> > > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual >> > > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? >> > > >> >> > > >> Anthony >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> ________________________________ >> > > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> >> > > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 >> > > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Hi Mike, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I rarely use most of the old words >> > > >>> from the texts since I find many of >> > > >>> them confused and overlapping. >> > > >> The very nature of words. >> > > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment >> > > >> is always welcome. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy >> > > >>> but don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST >> > > >>> attachments men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true >> > > >>> nature, a biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the >> > > >>> species no matter at what cost! >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to >> > > >>> generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of >> > > >>> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras >> > > >>> flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it >> > > >>> with pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with >> > > >>> chi in the form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature >> > > >>> back out into the universe... >> > > >>> >> > > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Edgar >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Edgar, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem >> > > >>>> to see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as >> > > >>>> illusion is still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha >> > > >>>> Nature. Fair enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana >> > > >>>> understanding of Mara. I see Mara as originally understood - the >> > > >>>> temptation of the senses that leads us to suffering. I can see the >> > > >>>> overlaps tho, so I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see >> > > >>>> the world as contin gent and consciousness arises differently >> > > >>>> depending on what condition presents. For example, If I hear the >> > > >>>> sound of high heels coming towards me, my mind begins formulating >> > > >>>> the idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows >> > > >>>> along and so my heart beat increases, adrenalin is released along >> > > >>>> with some serotonin etc etc. I then build a story/mental formation >> > > >>>> onto this and might start imagining meeting this woman (still >> > > >>>> unseen!) and... well, you know the rest. All from >> > the >> > > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the >> > > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur >> > > > from moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating >> > > > from the micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, >> > > > it never hurts to see the bigger picture. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Mike >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> ________________________________ >> > > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >> > > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 >> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Mike and Kris, >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the >> > > >>>> world of forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR >> > > >>>> WORLD. Properly realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha >> > > >>>> Nature but a manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion >> > > >>>> when taken for the whole of reality rather than being realized as a >> > > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature itself. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Edgar >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Kris, >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. >> > > >>>>>> Abiding as whatever presents. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness >> > > >>>>> arises with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). >> > > >>>>> But it's how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux >> > > >>>>> of whether we suffer... or not. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, >> > > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will >> > > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If >> > > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but >> > > >>>>> we live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention >> > > >>>>> to each and every moment. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Nice. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be >> > > >>>>>> mindful you don't reject it. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to >> > > >>>>> you, but your enemies closer ; ) >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Mike >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> ________________________________ >> > > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> >> > > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 >> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> Kris, >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we >> > > >>>>>> grow sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't >> > > >>>>>> know what's just around the corner ready to befall us. In order >> > > >>>>>> to "realise" suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to >> > > >>>>>> what impacts on us - not to just the external stimuli, but also >> > > >>>>>> to how we react to them inwardly. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent >> > > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none >> > > >>>>> other than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great >> > > >>>>> effort to maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not >> > > >>>>> abiding take great effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. >> > > >>>>> Delusions of not abiding take great effort to maintain.].)... >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is >> > > >>>>> sufficient. ;) >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by >> > > >>>>>> Mara from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no >> > > >>>>>> over-riding state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment >> > > >>>>>> will eradicate the potential to suffer at any time. All we can do >> > > >>>>>> is constantly practice mindfulness until our mind isn't so >> > > >>>>>> restless and we can be more aware of those first stirrings of the >> > > >>>>>> mind to be so reactive. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was >> > > >>>>> born to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see >> > > >>>>> it was never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other >> > > >>>>> realization/no realization of other. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be >> > > >>>>> mindful you don't reject it. >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> KG >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >
