Bill, But do you recall Joyce's very unflattering definition of a woman from that same book? :-)
Edgar On Sep 22, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Bill! wrote: > Merle, > > I was referring to Molly Bloom's soliloquy closing out Joyce's ULYSSES. It's > one of the most moving pieces of writing I have ever read: > > "...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like > the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me > under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I > asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to > say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew > him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was > going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes." > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  if you can recall..or google if you do not believe me..john lennon went > > to an art gallery to see the work of yoko ono..there was a ladder he > > climbed and on the ceiling written in small small writing was the word > > yes...,,,, he climbed down from the ladder and relationship of him an yoko > > was cemented.... he had not met her before....if memory serves me > > correct...merle > > > > > >  > > Kris calls it 'suchness'. I call it 'Just THIS!'. JMJM calls it 'As Is'. It > > appears both Merle and James Joyce call it 'Yes Yes Yes'. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you.... yes yes yes yes...merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Hi Merle, You probably don't. Many of us still do. All forms > > > exist for a reason. Just some of us don't know. That's called > > > delusion. Some may argue, no need to know, then we are back to square > > > one, which is what you stated, everything is right in front of us. KG > > > calls it suchness. Bill calls is Just This. I call it As Is. > > > Maybe a little different in the original definition, but close enough. > > > Who really cares? :-) > > > > > > We are all merely pointing... point... point... point... not > > > outward, but inward... always outside in.. > > > > > > Enjoy... > > > > > > > > > On 9/21/2012 2:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >JM.... why would we pick and choose in the mud.? > > > > > > > > > > > >.all that we see hear and touch is there and there is always more than > > > >enough.. > > > > > > > > > > > >.merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a > > > >lotus to blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and > > > >choose in the mud, there will be insufficient nutrients. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Indeed, KG. Thank you. > > > >> > > > >>We use the following > > > instructions -- "Focus and not > > > focus. Observe all and > > > every." Then you see the > > > wisdom in all. > > > >> > > > >>Even during chakra focusing, > > > it is not a mental focusing. > > > We need to relax the mind, in > > > order to sense with our > > > heart. Heart is where our > > > spirit reside. Pure heart > > > means pure awareness. > > > >> > > > >>Again, a few people, such as > > > Anthony or Bill may "disagree" > > > as usual.   :-)    It's actually an experience and not > > > a dogma. > > > >> > > > >>Newest translation of an old > > > saying(probably version 7), of > > > this phrase from Buddha, "Cast > > > not in words. Transmit beyond > > > teaching." > > > >> > > > >>BTW, my team is working on > > > translating "Practice and > > > Witness Diamond Sutra" from > > > our Shifu. I know. I know. > > > It's courageous. If there is > > > any online version of Diamond > > > Sutra you sync with, please > > > share with me. Much obliged. > > > >> > > > >>jm > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>>When we think of > > > 'mindfulness', we may > > > think of not being > > > distracted, but > > > distraction fills the mind > > > just as effectively. > > > Silence, is the ultimate > > > distraction. > > > >>> > > > >>>Concentration or > > > distraction, different in > > > form only. Both are > > > moments of attention to > > > this and not that, in that > > > moment, then gone. Effort > > > applied to cultivate > > > mindfulness is often > > > merely a distraction from > > > distractions. Mindfulness > > > presents formlessly in all > > > forms. Attempts to be > > > mindful, to wrest it from > > > the rest, naturally will > > > fail to grasp this. > > > >>> > > > >>>Concentration cannot free > > > the mind, distraction > > > cannot hold it. Thoughts > > > come and go effortlessly. > > > This is not a problem. > > > Following them or ignoring > > > them, grasping and > > > rejecting them - in > > > relation to self - reveals > > > ordinary mind's habitual > > > ignorance of Original > > > mind. > > > >>> > > > >>>Mindfulness allows > > > dis-tractions to serve as > > > reminders not to seek > > > traction. > > > >>> > > > >>>KG > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM, > > > Anthony Wu wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Bill!, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write > > > >>>>down what they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and > > > >>>>making tea out of your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a > > > >>>>burly man keeps dropping ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can > > > >>>>dissuage them. He is also strong that there is no way you or your > > > >>>>family can beat him. What should you do? I have not had the answer to > > > >>>>this koan. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Anthony > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > >>>>To: [email protected] > > > >>>>Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40 > > > >>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Anthony, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>I was always > > > told to just > > > let the > > > thoughts 'flow > > > through you', > > > acknowledge > > > them but then > > > let them go. > > > The teaching > > > analogy that > > > went with this > > > is 'when > > > you're busy > > > working in > > > your house and > > > someone comes > > > and knocks on > > > your door, > > > acknowledge > > > them but tell > > > them you're > > > busy and ask > > > them to come > > > back later. > > > Don't invite > > > them in for > > > tea and a > > > conversation.' > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Some zen > > > practitioners > > > I know suggest > > > keeping a > > > notebook and > > > pen/pencil > > > near you when > > > you meditate. > > > That way if a > > > thought comes > > > that you just > > > cannot get rid > > > of you can > > > write it down, > > > and then can > > > go back to > > > meditating > > > with the > > > assurance you > > > will attend to > > > the thought > > > later. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>I've never > > > done that nor > > > felt the need > > > to do that, > > > but it might > > > be worth a try > > > if these > > > thoughts/questions > > > are keeping > > > you from > > > meditating. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>...Bill! > > > >>>> > > > >>>>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KG, > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>> Some say > > > you should not > > > suppress > > > questions when > > > you meditate, > > > but let them > > > come and go. > > > Well they come > > > here to stay. > > > It takes time > > > and effort to > > > make them > > > disappear. > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>> Anthony > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > ________________________________ > > > >>>>> From: > > > Kristopher > > > Grey <kris@> > > > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > >>>>> Sent: > > > Thursday, 20 > > > September > > > 2012, 9:38 > > > >>>>> Subject: > > > Re: [Zen] > > > invasion > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>> Same > > > problem is > > > created by > > > attachment to > > > thinking > > > "well" applies > > > to meditation! > > > *L* > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Your > > > "tip", perhaps > > > pointier than > > > it may appear! > > > ;) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> KG > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On > > > 9/19/2012 6:09 > > > PM, Anthony Wu > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>  > > > >>>>> > > > >Merle, > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> >I > > > give yo a tip. > > > If you always > > > want questions > > > to be > > > answered, you > > > can never > > > meditate well. > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >Anthony > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
