thank you.... yes yes yes yes...merle
Hi Merle, You probably don't. Many of us still do. All forms exist for a
reason. Just some of us don't know. That's called delusion. Some may argue,
no need to know, then we are back to square one, which is what you stated,
everything is right in front of us. KG calls it suchness. Bill calls is Just
This. I call it As Is. Maybe a little different in the original definition,
but close enough. Who really cares? :-)
We are all merely pointing... point... point... point... not
outward, but inward... always outside in..
Enjoy...
On 9/21/2012 2:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>JM.... why would we pick and choose in the mud.?
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>Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus to
>blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in the mud,
>there will be insufficient nutrients. :-)
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>On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>>JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle
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>>Indeed, KG. Thank you.
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>>We use the following
instructions -- "Focus and not
focus. Observe all and
every." Then you see the
wisdom in all.
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>>Even during chakra focusing,
it is not a mental focusing.
We need to relax the mind, in
order to sense with our
heart. Heart is where our
spirit reside. Pure heart
means pure awareness.
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>>Again, a few people, such as
Anthony or Bill may "disagree"
as usual. :-) It's actually an
experience and not a dogma.
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>>Newest translation of an old
saying(probably version 7), of
this phrase from Buddha, "Cast
not in words. Transmit beyond
teaching."
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>>BTW, my team is working on
translating "Practice and
Witness Diamond Sutra" from
our Shifu. I know. I know.
It's courageous. If there is
any online version of Diamond
Sutra you sync with, please
share with me. Much obliged.
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>>jm
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>>On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>>>When we think of
'mindfulness', we may
think of not being
distracted, but
distraction fills the mind
just as effectively.
Silence, is the ultimate
distraction.
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>>>Concentration or
distraction, different in
form only. Both are
moments of attention to
this and not that, in that
moment, then gone. Effort
applied to cultivate
mindfulness is often
merely a distraction from
distractions. Mindfulness
presents formlessly in all
forms. Attempts to be
mindful, to wrest it from
the rest, naturally will
fail to grasp this.
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>>>Concentration cannot free
the mind, distraction
cannot hold it. Thoughts
come and go effortlessly.
This is not a problem.
Following them or ignoring
them, grasping and
rejecting them - in
relation to self - reveals
ordinary mind's habitual
ignorance of Original
mind.
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>>>Mindfulness allows
dis-tractions to serve as
reminders not to seek
traction.
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>>>KG
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>>>On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM,
Anthony Wu wrote:
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>>>>Bill!,
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>>>>Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write down what
>>>>they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and making tea out of
>>>>your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a burly man keeps dropping
>>>>ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can dissuage them. He is also strong
>>>>that there is no way you or your family can beat him. What should you do? I
>>>>have not had the answer to this koan.
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>>>>Anthony
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>>>>From: Bill! <[email protected]>
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40
>>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion
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>>>>Anthony,
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>>>>I was always
told to just
let the
thoughts 'flow
through you',
acknowledge
them but then
let them go.
The teaching
analogy that
went with this
is 'when
you're busy
working in
your house and
someone comes
and knocks on
your door,
acknowledge
them but tell
them you're
busy and ask
them to come
back later.
Don't invite
them in for
tea and a
conversation.'
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>>>>Some zen
practitioners
I know suggest
keeping a
notebook and
pen/pencil
near you when
you meditate.
That way if a
thought comes
that you just
cannot get rid
of you can
write it down,
and then can
go back to
meditating
with the
assurance you
will attend to
the thought
later.
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>>>>I've never
done that nor
felt the need
to do that,
but it might
be worth a try
if these
thoughts/questions
are keeping
you from
meditating.
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>>>>...Bill!
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>>>>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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>>>>> KG,
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>>>>> Some say
you should not
suppress
questions when
you meditate,
but let them
come and go.
Well they come
here to stay.
It takes time
and effort to
make them
disappear.
>>>>> Â
>>>>> Anthony
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________________________________
>>>>> From:
Kristopher
Grey <kris@...>
>>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent:
Thursday, 20
September
2012, 9:38
>>>>> Subject:
Re: [Zen]
invasion
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>>>>> Same
problem is
created by
attachment to
thinking
"well" applies
to meditation!
*L*
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>>>>> Your
"tip", perhaps
pointier than
it may appear!
;)
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>>>>> KG
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>>>>> On
9/19/2012 6:09
PM, Anthony Wu
wrote:
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>Merle,
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>>>>> >I
give yo a tip.
If you always
want questions
to be
answered, you
can never
meditate well.
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>Anthony
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