yes yes yes...merle Kris calls it 'suchness'. I call it 'Just THIS!'. JMJM calls it 'As Is'. It appears both Merle and James Joyce call it 'Yes Yes Yes'.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > thank you.... yes yes yes yes...merle > > >  > Hi Merle, You probably don't. Many of us still do. All forms exist for > a reason. Just some of us don't know. That's called delusion. Some may > argue, no need to know, then we are back to square one, which is what you > stated, everything is right in front of us. KG calls it suchness. Bill > calls is Just This. I call it As Is. Maybe a little different in the > original definition, but close enough. Who really cares? :-) > > We are all merely pointing... point... point... point... not > outward, but inward... always outside in.. > > Enjoy... > > > On 9/21/2012 2:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > >  > > > > > > > >JM.... why would we pick and choose in the mud.? > > > > > >.all that we see hear and touch is there and there is always more than > >enough.. > > > > > >.merle > > > > > > > >Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus > >to blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in the > >mud, there will be insufficient nutrients. :-) > > > > > > > >On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle > >> > >> > >> > >>Indeed, KG. Thank you. > >> > >>We use the following > instructions -- "Focus and not > focus. Observe all and > every." Then you see the > wisdom in all. > >> > >>Even during chakra focusing, > it is not a mental focusing. > We need to relax the mind, in > order to sense with our > heart. Heart is where our > spirit reside. Pure heart > means pure awareness. > >> > >>Again, a few people, such as > Anthony or Bill may "disagree" > as usual.   :-)    It's > actually an experience and not a dogma. > >> > >>Newest translation of an old > saying(probably version 7), of > this phrase from Buddha, "Cast > not in words. Transmit beyond > teaching." > >> > >>BTW, my team is working on > translating "Practice and > Witness Diamond Sutra" from > our Shifu. I know. I know. > It's courageous. If there is > any online version of Diamond > Sutra you sync with, please > share with me. Much obliged. > >> > >>jm > >> > >> > >>On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>>When we think of > 'mindfulness', we may > think of not being > distracted, but > distraction fills the mind > just as effectively. > Silence, is the ultimate > distraction. > >>> > >>>Concentration or > distraction, different in > form only. Both are > moments of attention to > this and not that, in that > moment, then gone. Effort > applied to cultivate > mindfulness is often > merely a distraction from > distractions. Mindfulness > presents formlessly in all > forms. Attempts to be > mindful, to wrest it from > the rest, naturally will > fail to grasp this. > >>> > >>>Concentration cannot free > the mind, distraction > cannot hold it. Thoughts > come and go effortlessly. > This is not a problem. > Following them or ignoring > them, grasping and > rejecting them - in > relation to self - reveals > ordinary mind's habitual > ignorance of Original > mind. > >>> > >>>Mindfulness allows > dis-tractions to serve as > reminders not to seek > traction. > >>> > >>>KG > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM, > Anthony Wu wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Bill!, > >>>> > >>>>Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write down > >>>>what they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and making tea > >>>>out of your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a burly man keeps > >>>>dropping ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can dissuage them. He is also > >>>>strong that there is no way you or your family can beat him. What should > >>>>you do? I have not had the answer to this koan. > >>>> > >>>>Anthony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > >>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40 > >>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Anthony, > >>>> > >>>>I was always > told to just > let the > thoughts 'flow > through you', > acknowledge > them but then > let them go. > The teaching > analogy that > went with this > is 'when > you're busy > working in > your house and > someone comes > and knocks on > your door, > acknowledge > them but tell > them you're > busy and ask > them to come > back later. > Don't invite > them in for > tea and a > conversation.' > >>>> > >>>>Some zen > practitioners > I know suggest > keeping a > notebook and > pen/pencil > near you when > you meditate. > That way if a > thought comes > that you just > cannot get rid > of you can > write it down, > and then can > go back to > meditating > with the > assurance you > will attend to > the thought > later. > >>>> > >>>>I've never > done that nor > felt the need > to do that, > but it might > be worth a try > if these > thoughts/questions > are keeping > you from > meditating. > >>>> > >>>>...Bill! > >>>> > >>>>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> KG, > >>>>>  > >>>>> Some say > you should not > suppress > questions when > you meditate, > but let them > come and go. > Well they come > here to stay. > It takes time > and effort to > make them > disappear. > >>>>>  > >>>>> Anthony > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > ________________________________ > >>>>> From: > Kristopher > Grey <kris@> > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Sent: > Thursday, 20 > September > 2012, 9:38 > >>>>> Subject: > Re: [Zen] > invasion > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> Same > problem is > created by > attachment to > thinking > "well" applies > to meditation! > *L* > >>>>> > >>>>> Your > "tip", perhaps > pointier than > it may appear! > ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> KG > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On > 9/19/2012 6:09 > PM, Anthony Wu > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >Merle, > >>>>> > > >>>>> >I > give yo a tip. > If you always > want questions > to be > answered, you > can never > meditate well. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >Anthony > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
