Merle, No, that's not the truth. I understand why a little kid cries and throws his toys when he doesn't get his way. That doesn't mean I agree with his actions nor do I want to copy his actions.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  that is the truth bill!!!!!! merle > > >  > Bill, > > If you really understood you would agree! > :-) > > Edgar > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Bill! wrote: > >  > >Merle, > > > >I understand Edgar most of the time and where he is coming from. I just > >don't agree. > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> àbill!..i can see where you are coming from and also where edgar is > >> coming from..so where am i coming from? > >> i can understand and relate to what you both are saying > >> > >> àgod father BILL!.. aldous huxley is a genius... > >> ànext you'll be telling me your bored with leonardo da vinci > >> àthe genius àare then not your cup of tea? > >> > >> àmaybe edgar is a genius? > >> àmerle > >> > >> > >> à> >> Merle, > >> > >> Edgar and I disagree on fundamental issues. In his post below I agree > >> only with the first paragraph. The rest of it, which basically says some > >> attachments are benign (actually, even necessary) and some aren't, I > >> disagree with. And his last sentence "Zen is not as simple as many > >> imagine!" is outright egregious. Zen is the most simple thing you can > >> imagine. IMO Edgar makes is complicated by trying to UNDERSTAND and > >> EXPLAIN it all the time. There is no need for, in fact IMO there is a > >> need NOT TO, try to understand zen. > >> > >> You don't understand zen, you practice zen. > >> > >> My reading of the ISLAND has bogged down midway in Chapter 4. It seems > >> very tedious and somewhat juvenile to me, but I'll keep going for at least > >> another couple chapters to see what might come next. > >> > >> ...Bill! > >> > >> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bill!..what is it that you and edgar disagree on?... is this just > >> > childish one up manship? > >> > Ãâàas we are all ONE > >> > Ãâàthen stands to reason..edgar and you are still on the same coin > >> > so to speak > >> > Ãâàhow is your island reading going ? > >> > Ãâàmerle > >> > > >> > > >> > Ãâà> >> > Merle, > >> > > >> > I am 'listening' (reading actually), but there's nothing in this post > >> > for me to learn, nothing new anyway. I already am aware of how much > >> > Edgar and I disagree on zen - and I knew that already. > >> > > >> > ...Bill! > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàyes bill!..edgar is back.. > >> > > edgar is on the cutting edge..are you listening?... and need i say > >> > > learning?..merle > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > Suresh, > >> > > > >> > > Attachment is a very valuable evolutionary survival mechanism. It's a > >> > > fundamental part of human nature similar to what we share with other > >> > > species. With no attachments individual humans would have no > >> > > motivation or direction and would not survive. > >> > > > >> > > The problem is not attachments per se. We all use attachments every > >> > > day to go about our lives successfully. That's what enables people to > >> > > sustain material success in life. The problem is excessive attachment, > >> > > or attachment to your attachments. The problem is excessive > >> > > attachments THAT DO NOT MESH WITH WHAT IS REAL or > >> > > attainable.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > > >> > > For example a man's attachment to THE IDEA OF an unattainable woman, > >> > > or an unattainable position in society. Attachment to the unattainable > >> > > causes suffering.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > > >> > > However attachment to the ATTAINABLE maintains physical and social > >> > > life.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > > >> > > However things can change. When one loses something one was attached > >> > > to realization demands changing one's attachment to it to mirror the > >> > > new state of reality. > >> > > > >> > > Zen is not as simple as many imagine! > >> > > > >> > > Edgar > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:38 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > >> > > > >> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Bill > >> > > >Why do human liked to get attached? > >> > > >What is the root cause for attachment? > >> > > >Suresh > >> > > >On Oct 20, 2012 8:38 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (merlewiitpom@) Add > >> > > > cleanup rule | More info > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >>ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >>ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > >>ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàso how does one NOT be attached to these > >> > > >>emotions eh?..merle > >> > > >>ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > >>Merle, > >> > > >> > >> > > >>No, these in-and-of themselves are not attachments. They are > >> > > >>concepts (mental models), and in some case emotions - and it is not > >> > > >>these that cause suffering. It is ATTACHMENTS to these that cause > >> > > >>suffering. > >> > > >> > >> > > >>...Bill! > >> > > >> > >> > > >>--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthanks..are they > >> > > >>> attachments?... merle > >> > > >>> Merle, > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> Love is not exactly the OPPOSITE of hate, but love/hate is a > >> > > >>> dualistic pair - like good/bad, tall/short, hot/cold, yin/yang, > >> > > >>> etc... > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> ...Bill! > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > >> > > >>> wrote: > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàtell > >> > > >>> > me more BILLLL....... Love is it the opposite of hate????? merle > >> > > >>> > ÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¡ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > I agree with James. > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > As with all emotions like fear, anger, love, hate it is not the > >> > > >>> > emotion that is the real problem, it is the ATTACHMENT to the > >> > > >>> > emotion. > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > ...Bill! > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > --- In [email protected], "James W. Meritt" <JWMeritt@> > >> > > >>> > wrote: > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > Not so sure getting rid of fear is a good thing. I see > >> > > >>> > > having fear, but modifying how you use and react to it as a > >> > > >>> > > good thing. > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > James W. Meritt > >> > > >>> > > CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
