WRONG!! WRONG!! Delete the word 'intellectual' below completely, and replace the words 'solution' and 'understanding' with 'demonstration' and 'experience'.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > You need to understand what a koan really is. A koan is not some clever words > on a page in a zen book. A koan is an intellectual mystery whose solution > leads you to a true understanding of the reality beyond. > > Reality itself as it manifests in the world of forms is THE ULTIMATE > intellectual mystery. And thus the ultimate koan.. > > Solve it and you encounter reality... > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Give us the koan, Jake. > > > > Give us the reality koan as best you can phrase it, or just do a half-fast > > version. > > > > All I ask for is a simple, formal koan. As in our koan collections. > > > > It would be one for the books. > > > > Of course I know how to approach "Direct-Contemplation", a central practice > > in Ch'an for those who have awakened, as taught by my Shih-fu, Ch'an Master > > Sheng Yen, and others, like Master Hua. > > > > I lament your failure to produce the written koan. I'm sad for those here > > who would definitely benefit from your efforts to write the koan, if you > > are able. Not able? > > > > I'll do it, but only privately, and I will not Cc.: you. You can do that > > work on your own, since you will not do it for us, despite my invitation, > > encouragement, and friendly, brotherly challenge. Oh, well, what a MOTHER > > to do!? > > > > Next topic! > > > > In the Dharma, > > > > --JM > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > Reality IS THE koan. Just because you don't understand or accept that > > > does NOT make it so... > > > > > > To solve the koan you must first ACCEPT the koan... > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
