Joe,

You claim that "you cannot do the work to awaken on your own".

O really, then who pray tell was Buddha's teacher since he had no human teacher?

Give up?

Answer. It was reality as I've been trying to explain to you.

I prove my point...

Edgar




On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Joe wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> No, Edgar, it is not BS.
> 
> (If you need someone to attack, try Paintball).
> 
> A lot of self-enlightened fools traipse the streets of the world. They are 
> not awake. Are you one? No, I think you worked with a teacher, once.
> 
> The methods of Zen are Medicine, and the Teacher is Medicine, too. So is a 
> Sangha.
> 
> You cannot do the work to awaken on your own. The fact that you think it is 
> on "your" own is what keeps you in the small bottle, and prevents You from 
> flowing out to expand to the walls of the infinite aquarium.
> 
> Take the medicine; awaken; be well; and *then* your last line is finally 
> true. Not before.
> 
> Of course not everybody wants to or can do that, even if it means never 
> awakening. But when these fools represent themselves as masters and demean or 
> deprecate Practice, they are not to be suffered gladly, nor suffered at all.
> 
> Yes, it's everywhere. So are the unoxidizable tools of awakening, waiting in 
> the shed, available to you and to everyone if you want to see a change.
> 
> Go for it!
> 
> Or maybe you've done this at some time, and still remember it.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > 
> > This is BS.
> > [snip]
> > Zen is not to be found in a teacher or monastery. It's everywhere right in 
> > front of your nose..
> 
> 

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