bill!..you are obsessed with instructions from some one else: why? because that is the way you did this..so we all flow with you? why a teacher?.... are we not all teachers unto to ourselves?... please explain sensual.... merle Edgar, Merle and Joe,
Of course you can experience Buddha Nature 'on your own'. You could build a Space Shuttle 'on your own', by trial and error, or you could take advantage of the teachings and advice of those who have already built one. Both Siddhartha and Jesus (according to the accounts we have)were precocious children and yet even they struggled their whole life to realize what we (or at least I) now call 'Buddha Nature'. Siddhartha is said to have first recognized life was suffering and wanted to discover how to alleviate it. He first tried studying (rationality), then scriptures (faith), then asceticism (body) and found no relief. He finally swore to just sit under a tree until he discovered who to alleviate suffering, and not to get up until he did - or died. As the story goes on the 40th morning he saw the light from the a star as it rose above the horizon just before daybreak. It was then he realized what I now call 'Buddha Nature'. Seeing the light was a sensual experience - not an understanding or an act of faith. Anyone can do this by themselves as Siddhartha did or Jesus - but it is much more likely you will be able to do this with the guidance of a teacher. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > > Â joe..what edgar says makes sense...who was buddha's teacher? who was > christ's teacher?..merle > > > Â > Joe, > > You claim that "you cannot do the work to awaken on your own". > > O really, then who pray tell was Buddha's teacher since he had no human > teacher? > > Give up? > > Answer. It was reality as I've been trying to explain to you. > > I prove my point... > > Edgar > > > > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Joe wrote: > > Â > >Edgar, > > > >No, Edgar, it is not BS. > > > >(If you need someone to attack, try Paintball). > > > >A lot of self-enlightened fools traipse the streets of the world. They are > >not awake. Are you one? No, I think you worked with a teacher, once. > > > >The methods of Zen are Medicine, and the Teacher is Medicine, too. So is a > >Sangha. > > > >You cannot do the work to awaken on your own. The fact that you think it is > >on "your" own is what keeps you in the small bottle, and prevents You from > >flowing out to expand to the walls of the infinite aquarium. > > > >Take the medicine; awaken; be well; and *then* your last line is finally > >true. Not before. > > > >Of course not everybody wants to or can do that, even if it means never > >awakening. But when these fools represent themselves as masters and demean > >or deprecate Practice, they are not to be suffered gladly, nor suffered at > >all. > > > >Yes, it's everywhere. So are the unoxidizable tools of awakening, waiting > >in the shed, available to you and to everyone if you want to see a change. > > > >Go for it! > > > >Or maybe you've done this at some time, and still remember it. > > > >--Joe > > > >> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > >> Joe, > >> > >> This is BS. > >> [snip] > >> Zen is not to be found in a teacher or monastery. It's everywhere right in > >> front of your nose.. > > > > >
