Joe,

What is this crap? You actually claim you know the Zen history of everyone on 
earth through all ages well enough to confirm this nonsense that without YOUR 
approved method of practice there is no realization or awakening?

Did your Zen teacher tell you this - when he was accepting your check perhaps?

Edgar



On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Joe wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> With a "free and easy" style of practice -- or no practice at all -- one does 
> never realize, never awakens.
> 
> That's not a pretty picture, especially if one thinks one is practicing. As 
> you know, this is why a teacher is so helpful.
> 
> Scoliosis is one thing, and can be worked-around; but a straight spine is the 
> lowest-energy solution for those planning to carry out a sitting practice.
> 
> Eyes open is helpful for avoiding sleep and for developing samadhi.
> 
> There is wisdom in the methods as they have been handed down to us, and 
> compassion.
> 
> Deconstruct them privately at your own peril, but there's no need to cast 
> aspersions here about them.
> 
> Now, let's hear about Merle's practice.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> > 
> > Zen doesn't care if your spine is curved or straight or your eyes are open 
> > or closed..
> 
> 

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