Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Merle, > > Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two different > words. Look up the defs. > > Truth is a logical concept; in Zen terms it's what's real as opposed to > illusion. Beauty's an emotional response in the eye of the beholder... > > "Beauty is truth" is one of those many saccharin warm and fuzzy platitudes > that fall apart when analyzed. > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > >> >> >> edgar. >> .beauty is truth..,,,, >> abstract art is representing in many cases states of mind.. >> .take time out to examine the theories of paul klee, kandinsky and >> mondrian..then get back to me.. >> .i have had discussions of this kind with many folk.. >> .how to open their eyes that's like trying to open a can of beans with >> one's teeth.. >> .merle >> >> >> Merle, >> >> That's a long and complex topic probably not OT here. Generally I prefer >> representational art, but art which clearly conveys some Zen like spiritual >> realization or insight, or something of exceptional beauty... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> edgar..so it's you "hiding in the bushes" who does not think much of >>> picasso's art. >>> >>> .shame on you. >>> >>> ..who do you think much of in the art world? >>> merle >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> I don't think much of Picasso's art but I do really like his quote that >>> "Art is lies that tell the truth." >>> >>> AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in >>> Zen. >>> >>> Illusions ARE lies that tell the truth. That is illusions are illusory but >>> they reveal Buddha Nature. >>> >>> A great Zen saying from Picasso slightly altered! >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joe wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> Sorry, what do you mean, there? I missed it. "Thought as much" about what? >>>> >>>> Maybe you mean you don't care for _en plein air_ paintings, or realistic >>>> space art. Note that when Bill paints earth landscapes, he is still doing >>>> space art (so is every landscape painter). >>>> >>>> I respect Picasso, and like his art. I often quote his wonderful line, and >>>> use it when I teach Buddhist Yoga classes, and beginning Ch'an meditation: >>>> >>>> "Art is a lie that reveals the truth." >>>> >>>> I've stood in front of "Guernica" at MoMA for long periods, repeatedly. >>>> >>>> Tell me something about your reaction to any of Bill Hartmann's work. >>>> >>>> My favorite paintings today, and on many days, are by Joan Miro. >>>> >>>> --Joe >>>> >>>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Â joe...i thought as much...hartmann.... mmm..if you like that sort of >>>> > thing go for it.. >>>> > >>>> > . so what do you think of picasso and guernica?..was it you or billllll >>>> > that said picasso was "crap"? >>>> > >>>> > my all time favourite artists are kandinsky, klee and mondrian... all 3 >>>> > artists shed light on their understanding of the spirituality of art as >>>> > well..... merle > > > >
