As you provide no back up to your assertion I can only reply that this theorem is an area of study i have been engaged in for thirty years and my statement is not a misinterpretation.
Given a formal system of logic Godel constructs a proof of a theorem which is observably true and unprovable. No formal system can escape this. Perhaps by logic you mean something other than a formal system of reasoning? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Nov 25, 2012, at 15:44, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Chris, > > That's a complete misunderstanding of what Godel's Incompleteness proof > does... > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:37 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > >> >> Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only >> provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any >> human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth. >> >> Thanks, >> Chris Austin-Lane >> Sent from a cell phone >> >> On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Merle, >>> >>> Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two different >>> words. Look up the defs. >>> >>> Truth is a logical concept; in Zen terms it's what's real as opposed to >>> illusion. Beauty's an emotional response in the eye of the beholder... >>> >>> "Beauty is truth" is one of those many saccharin warm and fuzzy platitudes >>> that fall apart when analyzed. >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> edgar. >>>> .beauty is truth..,,,, >>>> abstract art is representing in many cases states of mind.. >>>> .take time out to examine the theories of paul klee, kandinsky and >>>> mondrian..then get back to me.. >>>> .i have had discussions of this kind with many folk.. >>>> .how to open their eyes that's like trying to open a can of beans with >>>> one's teeth.. >>>> .merle >>>> >>>> >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> That's a long and complex topic probably not OT here. Generally I prefer >>>> representational art, but art which clearly conveys some Zen like >>>> spiritual realization or insight, or something of exceptional beauty... >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> edgar..so it's you "hiding in the bushes" who does not think much of >>>>> picasso's art. >>>>> >>>>> .shame on you. >>>>> >>>>> ..who do you think much of in the art world? >>>>> merle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think much of Picasso's art but I do really like his quote that >>>>> "Art is lies that tell the truth." >>>>> >>>>> AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in >>>>> Zen. >>>>> >>>>> Illusions ARE lies that tell the truth. That is illusions are illusory >>>>> but they reveal Buddha Nature. >>>>> >>>>> A great Zen saying from Picasso slightly altered! >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Merle, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, what do you mean, there? I missed it. "Thought as much" about >>>>>> what? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe you mean you don't care for _en plein air_ paintings, or realistic >>>>>> space art. Note that when Bill paints earth landscapes, he is still >>>>>> doing space art (so is every landscape painter). >>>>>> >>>>>> I respect Picasso, and like his art. I often quote his wonderful line, >>>>>> and use it when I teach Buddhist Yoga classes, and beginning Ch'an >>>>>> meditation: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Art is a lie that reveals the truth." >>>>>> >>>>>> I've stood in front of "Guernica" at MoMA for long periods, repeatedly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell me something about your reaction to any of Bill Hartmann's work. >>>>>> >>>>>> My favorite paintings today, and on many days, are by Joan Miro. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Â joe...i thought as much...hartmann.... mmm..if you like that sort of >>>>>> > thing go for it.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > . so what do you think of picasso and guernica?..was it you or >>>>>> > billllll that said picasso was "crap"? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > my all time favourite artists are kandinsky, klee and mondrian... all >>>>>> > 3 artists shed light on their understanding of the spirituality of art >>>>>> > as well..... merle > > > >
