Chris, Your own explanation below is self contradictory which indicates you don't understand it.
Reread what you wrote. You say "it constructs a proof of something which is unprovable". This is obviously impossible. I'll explain it to you when I have more time if you like... Edgar On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:24 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > As you provide no back up to your assertion I can only reply that this > theorem is an area of study i have been engaged in for thirty years and my > statement is not a misinterpretation. > > Given a formal system of logic Godel constructs a proof of a theorem which is > observably true and unprovable. No formal system can escape this. > > Perhaps by logic you mean something other than a formal system of reasoning? > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 15:44, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> That's a complete misunderstanding of what Godel's Incompleteness proof >> does... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:37 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only >>> provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any >>> human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris Austin-Lane >>> Sent from a cell phone >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two >>>> different words. Look up the defs. >>>> >>>> Truth is a logical concept; in Zen terms it's what's real as opposed to >>>> illusion. Beauty's an emotional response in the eye of the beholder... >>>> >>>> "Beauty is truth" is one of those many saccharin warm and fuzzy platitudes >>>> that fall apart when analyzed. >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> edgar. >>>>> .beauty is truth..,,,, >>>>> abstract art is representing in many cases states of mind.. >>>>> .take time out to examine the theories of paul klee, kandinsky and >>>>> mondrian..then get back to me.. >>>>> .i have had discussions of this kind with many folk.. >>>>> .how to open their eyes that's like trying to open a can of beans with >>>>> one's teeth.. >>>>> .merle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Merle, >>>>> >>>>> That's a long and complex topic probably not OT here. Generally I prefer >>>>> representational art, but art which clearly conveys some Zen like >>>>> spiritual realization or insight, or something of exceptional beauty... >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> edgar..so it's you "hiding in the bushes" who does not think much of >>>>>> picasso's art. >>>>>> >>>>>> .shame on you. >>>>>> >>>>>> ..who do you think much of in the art world? >>>>>> merle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think much of Picasso's art but I do really like his quote that >>>>>> "Art is lies that tell the truth." >>>>>> >>>>>> AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in >>>>>> Zen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Illusions ARE lies that tell the truth. That is illusions are illusory >>>>>> but they reveal Buddha Nature. >>>>>> >>>>>> A great Zen saying from Picasso slightly altered! >>>>>> >>>>>> Edgar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Merle, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, what do you mean, there? I missed it. "Thought as much" about >>>>>>> what? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe you mean you don't care for _en plein air_ paintings, or >>>>>>> realistic space art. Note that when Bill paints earth landscapes, he is >>>>>>> still doing space art (so is every landscape painter). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I respect Picasso, and like his art. I often quote his wonderful line, >>>>>>> and use it when I teach Buddhist Yoga classes, and beginning Ch'an >>>>>>> meditation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Art is a lie that reveals the truth." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've stood in front of "Guernica" at MoMA for long periods, repeatedly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tell me something about your reaction to any of Bill Hartmann's work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My favorite paintings today, and on many days, are by Joan Miro. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Â joe...i thought as much...hartmann.... mmm..if you like that sort >>>>>>> > of thing go for it.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > . so what do you think of picasso and guernica?..was it you or >>>>>>> > billllll that said picasso was "crap"? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > my all time favourite artists are kandinsky, klee and mondrian... all >>>>>>> > 3 artists shed light on their understanding of the spirituality of >>>>>>> > art as well..... merle >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
