Chris, That's a complete misunderstanding of what Godel's Incompleteness proof does...
Edgar On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:37 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only > provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any > human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth. > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Merle, >> >> Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two different >> words. Look up the defs. >> >> Truth is a logical concept; in Zen terms it's what's real as opposed to >> illusion. Beauty's an emotional response in the eye of the beholder... >> >> "Beauty is truth" is one of those many saccharin warm and fuzzy platitudes >> that fall apart when analyzed. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> edgar. >>> .beauty is truth..,,,, >>> abstract art is representing in many cases states of mind.. >>> .take time out to examine the theories of paul klee, kandinsky and >>> mondrian..then get back to me.. >>> .i have had discussions of this kind with many folk.. >>> .how to open their eyes that's like trying to open a can of beans with >>> one's teeth.. >>> .merle >>> >>> >>> Merle, >>> >>> That's a long and complex topic probably not OT here. Generally I prefer >>> representational art, but art which clearly conveys some Zen like spiritual >>> realization or insight, or something of exceptional beauty... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> edgar..so it's you "hiding in the bushes" who does not think much of >>>> picasso's art. >>>> >>>> .shame on you. >>>> >>>> ..who do you think much of in the art world? >>>> merle >>>> >>>> >>>> Joe, >>>> >>>> I don't think much of Picasso's art but I do really like his quote that >>>> "Art is lies that tell the truth." >>>> >>>> AND it's important to understand that quote applies ALSO to illusions in >>>> Zen. >>>> >>>> Illusions ARE lies that tell the truth. That is illusions are illusory but >>>> they reveal Buddha Nature. >>>> >>>> A great Zen saying from Picasso slightly altered! >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joe wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Merle, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, what do you mean, there? I missed it. "Thought as much" about what? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you mean you don't care for _en plein air_ paintings, or realistic >>>>> space art. Note that when Bill paints earth landscapes, he is still doing >>>>> space art (so is every landscape painter). >>>>> >>>>> I respect Picasso, and like his art. I often quote his wonderful line, >>>>> and use it when I teach Buddhist Yoga classes, and beginning Ch'an >>>>> meditation: >>>>> >>>>> "Art is a lie that reveals the truth." >>>>> >>>>> I've stood in front of "Guernica" at MoMA for long periods, repeatedly. >>>>> >>>>> Tell me something about your reaction to any of Bill Hartmann's work. >>>>> >>>>> My favorite paintings today, and on many days, are by Joan Miro. >>>>> >>>>> --Joe >>>>> >>>>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Â joe...i thought as much...hartmann.... mmm..if you like that sort of >>>>> > thing go for it.. >>>>> > >>>>> > . so what do you think of picasso and guernica?..was it you or billllll >>>>> > that said picasso was "crap"? >>>>> > >>>>> > my all time favourite artists are kandinsky, klee and mondrian... all 3 >>>>> > artists shed light on their understanding of the spirituality of art as >>>>> > well..... merle >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
