Joe,

If Zen was perfect why did Dogen need to reform it?

If you answer that Zen wasn't perfect then could it be it is NOT perfect now 
and needs to be reformed?

Or is Zen perfectly perfect now?

Edgar



On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Joe wrote:

> Merle,
> 
> Merle asked:
> " ...was buddha a ZEN buddhist though.????? "
> 
> He was the first, YES. But he kept quiet about it, and did not TEACH that way.
> 
> His first (Zen) successor was Maha-kasyapa.
> 
> Mr. Bodhidharma came afterwards, left India, and went Eastward to China -- 
> "from the West" -- bringing Zen there. There, they call it "Ch'an" (my late 
> master-teacher was a Ch'an master).
> 
> Then, others brought it to Japan after its glorious development and flowering 
> in China. Bill! quoted some lines to you from Dogen, the great Japanese 
> reformer of Zen in Japan in the 12th century A.D. 
> 
> Master Dogen is revered for his teaching to this day, especially by the Soto 
> school of Zen. There are FIVE schools of Zen still alive, but there have been 
> more which died out. Let's not let more streams go dry! Though we keep 
> selling water out of them, ...they run deep.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
> >
> > group..was buddha a ZEN buddhist though.????? merle
> 
> 

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