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Edgar, If he was in a sperm bank and he was making a deposit then perhaps. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: standing zen meditation Sent: Mon, Apr 8, 2013 1:16:26 PM Mike, LOL! When Buddha scratches his balls you can bet it's Zen! Edgar On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:14 AM, [email protected] wrote: >Edgar, > >How you hold your hands has *everything* to do with Zen. Only it's not just >confined to the hands (wasn't it Suzuki who said you can tell an enlightened >person by the way they walk?). As someone who experiences Buddha Nature 24/7 >aren't you mindful of what you are doing every moment? Standing in the bank >queue absent-mindedly scratching your nuts while you wait isn't a good >manifestation of Zen, is it? > >Mike > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>; >To: <[email protected]>; >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: standing zen meditation >Sent: Mon, Apr 8, 2013 12:51:03 PM > > > >Bill, > > >I couldn't care less how anyone holds their hands, and it has nothing to do >with Zen. I don't object to any hand position, I object to those who think >some particular hand position is necessary for Zen and the ridiculous claim >that if your hands aren't in some particular position you aren't 'practicing' >Zen... > > >Why would you think otherwise? > > >Edgar > > > > >On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote: > > >>Edgar, >> >>Although a standard standard hand position is not mandatory in zen, it is >>strongly encouraged in Zen Buddhism. >> >>If, as you say, you believe (as I do) that hand position does not really >>matter then you shouldn't have any objections to the recommendation of the >>standard Zen Buddhist hand position (Japanese and Korean) as described by Joe >>in an earlier post. >> >>After all the hand position doesn't matter, does it? >> >>..Bill! >> >>--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> As I've said hand and body position can be useful for beginners to settle >>> into sitting but has nothing to do with Zen itself. >>> >>> Actually it often gives people one MORE thing to think about. >>> >>> Notice how MUCH Mike thinks about it.. When some beginners can't maintain >>> Zen mind they may become frustrated and take comfort in saying 'well at >>> least my hand position is better than yours'! >>> >>> But the take away lesson is Buddha is Buddha no matter what position your >>> hands are in or whether your spine is straight or not..... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Bill! wrote: >>> >>> > Mike, >>> > >>> > I agree with you that the initial glimpse of Buddha Nature ('kensho' in >>> > Japanese) is just the beginning of practice. >>> > >>> > My remarks in this thread have mainly been about the positioning of your >>> > hands during meditation - sitting, standing, walking, etc... My point is >>> > I do think Zen Buddhist teachings in this area have merit if for no other >>> > reason than that just gives you one less thing to have to think about. >>> > >>> > ...Bill! >>> > >>> > --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: >>> > > >>> > > <br/>Bill!,<br/><br/>I'm sure you'd agree that you're just as likely to >>> > > awaken to Buddha Nature while sitting on the toilet as you are while >>> > > sitting on the cushion. But that's not the point. A glimpse of Buddha >>> > > Nature is just an initiation or invitation to continue living the >>> > > Dharma. Without deepening it it just becomes one of many experiences >>> > > (albeit a 'special' experience). Enlightenment (for want of a better >>> > > word) is a moment to moment experience and without continuing practice >>> > > to deepen it it's easy to backslide into unskillful living again. >>> > > <br/><br/>I think Edgar and William believe that after an initial >>> > > glimpse of Buddha Nature that is it - that once experienced there's >>> > > nothing more to do. For Edgar to believe that he experiences Buddha >>> > > Nature 24/7 just goes to show how delusional the ego can be. >>> > > <br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >
