Hi Edgar,

Thank you. If I may continue, the practice of Chan is all inclusive. There is Chan in everything, form as well as formless, logical and illogical, acceptable and unacceptable. Thus Chan is One and All.

When we are in sync, we are one with all the causes and effects, including every word we say, every thought we manifest, and every action we take, everything and everyone around us.

Thus debating with agreement or disagreement are mental exercises satisfying only our mind, but not our heart. Heart is what matters in life. Everything we truly seek belongs to heart, i.e. peace, happiness, etc.

Enhance the sensitivity of our heart. Accept all as is. Surpass the realm of desire, form and formlessness. Sync with the universal wisdom through our heart is the key to enlightenment.

with palms together,
jm





On 5/18/2013 12:33 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:

JMJM


Hi and welcome back. I've missed your contributions to the group.

JMJM is the only actually practicing Zen teacher on the group. Those who disagree with me and claim I don't understand and misrepresent Zen should take note that JMJM agrees with me and says that what I've been saying is in accord with Zen teaching....

Edgar



On May 18, 2013, at 10:39 AM, 覺妙精明 (JMJM) wrote:

Yes, Edgar is right.

The platform sutra said, "Buddha dharma is in the secular world. Enlightenment to Buddhahood occurs in every day life."

In other words, only if we live in harmony with everyone and everything, seeing the truth in everything and everyone, then we are enlightened. If we continue to pick or choose, then our ego is in play. Thus Chan is ALL and ONE at the same time.

Of course, the other factor is whether the master your agree to is enlightened or not. If he is not enlighten, then he is just playing with your mind and not your heart.

After all, the only thing matters is heart to heart transmission. For a few hundred years, Buddha Heart Imprint was scarce...

jm



        Thu May 16, 2013 5:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:


      "Edgar Owen" edgarowen
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Bill,

You should really read and understand Dogen for a change.

He's saying what I say that you condemn, e.g. "It is an illusion to try to carry out our practice and enlightenment through ourselves, but to have practice and enlightenment through phenomena, that is enlightenment.
"

Edgar





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