JMJM, I've never insisted that zen and Chan are different. I've only pointed out that some of your descriptions of Chan are different from what I know as zen.
I don't think there are any fundamental difference, but then again I don't know for sure. Like I said below zen is not everything. It is a practice. There are human activities that are not part of that practice. If that's different for Chan then they are different. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > You always insisted that there are differences in zen, Zen, Chan. I can > accept all of that, because all of that is inclusive in Chan. They are > all description of the same one fundamental thing, the universal life > force and wisdom and all of its manifestations. > > JM > > > On 5/19/2013 6:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > JMJM and Edgar, > > > > I don't know about Chan, but zen is a human practice that assists in > > balancing the interplay between Human Nature and Buddha Nature. I went > > on to describe it in more detail in a recent post. > > > > It is not everything. It is a practice. There are human activities > > that are not part of that practice. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > JMJM, > > > > > > That's my understanding too. That's how I use the word though I > > usually refer to it as Zen. > > > > > > It's not something confined to any sect, temple or teacher though it > > may be recognized and taught therein. > > > > > > Chan or Zen is just a name for the fundamental reality of the world. > > But the name is not the reality, it just references the reality... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2013, at 9:08 AM, 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ ï¼ËJMJMï¼Ⱐ> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Chan is the absolute and most fundamental dharma. Chan is the > > essence of all and everything. > > > > Chan can be expressed with any kind of word or no word at all. > > > > > > > > JM > > > > > > > > On 5/19/2013 1:00 AM, uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Would it be fair to say that Cha'n still retains more of its > > original Indian Mahayana flavour than Japanese Zen? At least in it's > > outward expression, if not in its stories. I can almost smell the > > incense from here! ( meant respectfully). > > > >> > > > >> With cheeks together, on a chair, > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > >> > > > >> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@>; > > > >> To: <[email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>>; > > > >> Subject: [Zen] Re: What is Enlightenment? > > > >> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 5:26:17 AM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> JMJM, > > > >> > > > >> Well done. Well expressed. Be well. Please take good care. > > > >> > > > >> Hands together, and with bow, > > > >> > > > >> --Joe > > > >> > > > >> > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Everything we truly seek belongs to heart, i.e. peace, happiness, > > > >> > etc. > > > >> > > > > >> > Enhance the sensitivity of our heart. Accept all as is. Surpass > > the realm of desire, form and formlessness. Sync with the universal > > wisdom through our heart is the key to enlightenment. > > > >> > > > > >> > with palms together, > > > >> > jm > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
