Bill, We are talking about the message, not the speaker. The authority of the message is its truth. It's truth is its authority.
A true message is only considered arrogant by a closed, defensive and unawakened mind.... Edgar On May 19, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > I disagree with your definitions. > > You can be arrogant and still speak the truth; and you can be an authority > and still speak falsely. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Siska, >> >> The difference between arrogance and authority is whether the message is >> true... >> >> Anyway I wasn't referring to you but to those who speak here as if they >> speak FOR Zen without knowing what they speak is false... I'm surprised >> you'd consider yourself in that group. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On May 18, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Merle Lester wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> such arrogance edgar!..the makings of a "superman"...merle >>> >>> >>> Siska, >>> >>> Yes. I continually learn from the 'teachers' on this group what NOT to >>> believe and what NOT to do! >>> :-) >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 18, 2013, at 5:15 AM, siska wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> I'd say we all are teachers when others learn from us, and we are students >>>> whenever we are open to learn from others. >>>> >>>> So, like it or not, I think you're always a teacher ;-) >>>> >>>> Siska >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Samsung tablet >>>> >>>> Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> We are teachers if we have a student. We are students if we have a teacher. >>>> >>>> I was a student for many years and even was a teacher for a short time. At >>>> this point in my life I am neither a teacher or a student. >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Â >>>>> Â bill...are we not all teachers?,,,and all students?..who are we if not >>>>> teacher and student rolled into one..?..merle >>>>> Â >>>>> Merle, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a zen teacher, certainly don't feel qualified to make up a koan >>>>> nor to work with anyone on an existing koan. I'll have to pass on this >>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> ...Bill! >>>>> >>>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes so get cracking ...let's have the koan!!!!!!!!!! merle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ÃÂ >>>>>> Merle and Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, this story is labeled a 'parable' which as I said is not a koan - >>>>>> although could serve as the basis for a koan. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Bill! >>>>>> >>>>>> --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Merle,<br/><br/>With pleasure!<br/><br/>18. A Parable<br/><br/>Buddha >>>>>>> told a parable in sutra:<br/><br/>A man traveling across a field >>>>>>> encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a >>>>>>> precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself >>>>>>> down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the >>>>>>> man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat >>>>>>> him. Only the vine sustained him.<br/><br/>Two mice, one white and one >>>>>>> black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a >>>>>>> luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he >>>>>>> plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it >>>>>>> tasted!<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
