Bill, Why do you concentrate on personalities and thereby miss the meaning?
Zen is NOT a personality contest.... Edgar On May 19, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > The subject of this thread is the speaker (teacher) not the message as you > suggest below, but I don't have any problem with what you say below. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > We are talking about the message, not the speaker. The authority of the > > message is its truth. It's truth is its authority. > > > > A true message is only considered arrogant by a closed, defensive and > > unawakened mind.... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > I disagree with your definitions. > > > > > > You can be arrogant and still speak the truth; and you can be an > > > authority and still speak falsely. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Siska, > > >> > > >> The difference between arrogance and authority is whether the message is > > >> true... > > >> > > >> Anyway I wasn't referring to you but to those who speak here as if they > > >> speak FOR Zen without knowing what they speak is false... I'm surprised > > >> you'd consider yourself in that group. > > >> > > >> Edgar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On May 18, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> such arrogance edgar!..the makings of a "superman"...merle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Siska, > > >>> > > >>> Yes. I continually learn from the 'teachers' on this group what NOT to > > >>> believe and what NOT to do! > > >>> :-) > > >>> > > >>> Edgar > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On May 18, 2013, at 5:15 AM, siska wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi Bill, > > >>>> > > >>>> I'd say we all are teachers when others learn from us, and we are > > >>>> students whenever we are open to learn from others. > > >>>> > > >>>> So, like it or not, I think you're always a teacher ;-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Siska > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from Samsung tablet > > >>>> > > >>>> Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Merle, > > >>>> > > >>>> We are teachers if we have a student. We are students if we have a > > >>>> teacher. > > >>>> > > >>>> I was a student for many years and even was a teacher for a short > > >>>> time. At this point in my life I am neither a teacher or a student. > > >>>> > > >>>> ...Bill! > > >>>> > > >>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Â > > >>>>> Â bill...are we not all teachers?,,,and all students?..who are we if > > >>>>> not teacher and student rolled into one..?..merle > > >>>>> Â > > >>>>> Merle, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm not a zen teacher, certainly don't feel qualified to make up a > > >>>>> koan nor to work with anyone on an existing koan. I'll have to pass > > >>>>> on this one. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ...Bill! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> yes so get cracking ...let's have the koan!!!!!!!!!! merle > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ÃÂ > > >>>>>> Merle and Mike, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Okay, this story is labeled a 'parable' which as I said is not a > > >>>>>> koan - although could serve as the basis for a koan. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ...Bill! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Merle,<br/><br/>With pleasure!<br/><br/>18. A > > >>>>>>> Parable<br/><br/>Buddha told a parable in sutra:<br/><br/>A man > > >>>>>>> traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger > > >>>>>>> after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a > > >>>>>>> wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed > > >>>>>>> at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far > > >>>>>>> below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine > > >>>>>>> sustained him.<br/><br/>Two mice, one white and one black, little > > >>>>>>> by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious > > >>>>>>> strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked > > >>>>>>> the strawberry with the other. How sweet it > > >>>>>>> tasted!<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
