Edgar, The subject of this thread is the speaker (teacher) not the message as you suggest below, but I don't have any problem with what you say below.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > We are talking about the message, not the speaker. The authority of the > message is its truth. It's truth is its authority. > > A true message is only considered arrogant by a closed, defensive and > unawakened mind.... > > > Edgar > > > > On May 19, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > I disagree with your definitions. > > > > You can be arrogant and still speak the truth; and you can be an authority > > and still speak falsely. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > >> Siska, > >> > >> The difference between arrogance and authority is whether the message is > >> true... > >> > >> Anyway I wasn't referring to you but to those who speak here as if they > >> speak FOR Zen without knowing what they speak is false... I'm surprised > >> you'd consider yourself in that group. > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 18, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> such arrogance edgar!..the makings of a "superman"...merle > >>> > >>> > >>> Siska, > >>> > >>> Yes. I continually learn from the 'teachers' on this group what NOT to > >>> believe and what NOT to do! > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On May 18, 2013, at 5:15 AM, siska wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Bill, > >>>> > >>>> I'd say we all are teachers when others learn from us, and we are > >>>> students whenever we are open to learn from others. > >>>> > >>>> So, like it or not, I think you're always a teacher ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Siska > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Samsung tablet > >>>> > >>>> Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Merle, > >>>> > >>>> We are teachers if we have a student. We are students if we have a > >>>> teacher. > >>>> > >>>> I was a student for many years and even was a teacher for a short time. > >>>> At this point in my life I am neither a teacher or a student. > >>>> > >>>> ...Bill! > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Â > >>>>> Â bill...are we not all teachers?,,,and all students?..who are we if > >>>>> not teacher and student rolled into one..?..merle > >>>>> Â > >>>>> Merle, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not a zen teacher, certainly don't feel qualified to make up a koan > >>>>> nor to work with anyone on an existing koan. I'll have to pass on this > >>>>> one. > >>>>> > >>>>> ...Bill! > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> yes so get cracking ...let's have the koan!!!!!!!!!! merle > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ÃÂ > >>>>>> Merle and Mike, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Okay, this story is labeled a 'parable' which as I said is not a koan > >>>>>> - although could serve as the basis for a koan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ...Bill! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@ wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Merle,<br/><br/>With pleasure!<br/><br/>18. A Parable<br/><br/>Buddha > >>>>>>> told a parable in sutra:<br/><br/>A man traveling across a field > >>>>>>> encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a > >>>>>>> precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung > >>>>>>> himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. > >>>>>>> Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was > >>>>>>> waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.<br/><br/>Two mice, > >>>>>>> one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the > >>>>>>> vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine > >>>>>>> with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it > >>>>>>> tasted!<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
