Bill, O boy, here we go again....
Maybe YOUR intellect shuts down but my intellect IS Buddha Nature.... Edgar On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Bill! wrote: > Suresh, et al... > > I agree with Joe here. In fact zen koans are used to exhaust logic and > dialectic. When you try to use logic or dialectic to 'solve' a koan you will > continually fail and eventually will just give up out of frustration or > boredom - much the way you can relax your mind by gazing into a fire (chaotic > image) or hearing a repetitious sound (ticking of a clock). Your mind may > first try to 'make sense' (create a perception) out of the changing images of > the flames or the constant ticking of the clock, but eventually will just > 'tune them out'. > > The same happens with to your intellect during a koan. It eventually just > shuts down - and what then is left? Buddha Nature! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > > > Suresh, > > > > Well, "obsessed" is too strong -- and wrong -- a word. > > > > On a Zen forum, I don't mind speaking about Zen, however. Your habit seems > > to speak about all else but Zen. > > > > Other things enter here from time to time, of course, which relate to our > > topic. > > > > But in general, I enjoy keeping on-topic, and making the forum a more > > concentrated place upon the central topic that it is dedicated to. Here, > > such concentration is not "obsession": but it is "keeping on topic", and > > following the Terms of Service of the board. > > > > You say you know Naimy: but he passed away 25 years ago. Did you know him > > personally, earlier? > > > > I do not agree that argument can lead to what you call pure consciousness. > > Neither does it have to do with the "No Mind" of Zen awakening. Argument > > and dialectic can only show the futility of using logic and thought to > > realize Buddha Mind. Once a person is satisfied -- and exhausted -- that > > cogitation is futile, he/she can then get down to actual practice, instead, > > preferably with a Zen teacher and a group, and see them regularly, and > > practice Zazen regularly. That is, if your interest is in fact really in > > Zen. > > > > --Joe > > > > > "Suresh" <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Joe, > > > > > > Of course the discussion was with other forum member. I know the author > > > of The Book of Mirdad. > > > > > > I have posted it since it is also related to Buddha. Since that member > > > thought Buddha also copied from vedas, I have to argue with him. > > > > > > Like you are so much obsessed with zen and zen only, the other member is > > > obsessed with Hindu scriptures such as vedas. He thinks only vedas are > > > supreme and oldest and all other have copied and told in their own way. > > > > > > I don't like obsession. I am free from all theories and all ism. > > > > > > I also wanted to indicate my way of argument, which when followed > > > carefully arrive at pure consciousness or No self in zen terms. > > > > > > I only post what is related to zen, meditation, no self, the pure > > > consciouness. > > > >
