Chris, "Non-thought" is no intellectual activity - no creating pluralism which is the foundation of delusion and attachment. Later you can reincorporate thought without attachment by realizing it as delusive.
It doesn't mean all your bodily functions shut down. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote: > > Non-thought is not no mental activity, sitting errect fully present in a > moment takes more lively brains/more energetic bodies than sleep. > > Or are you suggesting that skimming thru life without really inhabiting > each moment is the key? > > Or just falling prey to that Zen temptation of word play, since I wrote of > people "moved" by beauty? > > Thanks, > --Chris > 301-270-6524 > On Jul 5, 2013 10:53 AM, <pandabananasock@...> wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > Mind moves mind. > > > > Yours truely, > > Peebles > > > > You: "Over and over, I have > > heard some music without really paying attention, and tuen one time have > > really listened to it, and been deeply moved." > > ------------------------------ > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:31 PM EDT Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > >Are you kidding? Your intellect is where your sense of beauty come from? > > >That could not be further away from my experience. Over and over, I have > > >heard some music without really paying attention, and tuen one time have > > >really listened to it, and been deeply moved. Really also I find > > >listening/seeing/tasting/touching/smelling/introspecting in general > > rewards > > >attentive attending ;) with a suuden pleasurable deepening appreciation > > for > > >how things are, for the specific thing at hand a routine occurance. > > > > > >For beauty, there is a saying, when nothing is special, then everything > > >can be special. But our brain will be responding to beauty in any case. > > >Spontaneously. Not because of intellectual something, but our full > > >response to life clearly seen. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >--Chris > > >301-270-6524 > > > On Jul 5, 2013 2:35 AM, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > > >> Merle, > > >> > > >> My intellect judged them to be beautiful. That judgement was probably > > >> something I learned to mimic from hearing other people describe things > > as > > >> beautiful. > > >> > > >> ...Bill! > > >> > > >> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > à > > >> > à bill..how do you know they were beautiful? clarification > > please..merle > > >> > > > >> > I have indeed perceived many beautiful sunsets. > > >> > > > >> > But have also experienced Just THIS! > > >> > > > >> > ...Bill! > > >> > > > >> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Ãâà > > >> > > Ãâà bill..is that so?...is that what you have realised or have > > been > > >> told to believe think and feel?.. have you never seen a beautiful > > sunset > > >> ?...merle > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Ãâà > > >> > > Merle, > > >> > > > > >> > > Math is judged to be beautiful because it is logical. Yes. > > >> > > > > >> > > Logic is judged to be beautiful because it deceives us into > > thinking > > >> we understand the truth. > > >> > > > > >> > > Truth is not beautiful or not-beautiful. Truth just is. > > >> > > > > >> > > All judgments come from your delusive intellect and self. If you > > are > > >> looking for 'realization' [Buddha Nature?] then you'll have to let go > > your > > >> attachments to such things as self, intellect, truth and beauty. > > >> > > > > >> > > ...Bill! > > >> > > > > >> > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > mathematics is beautiful because it is logical > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà logic is beautiful because it is so pointing > > to the > > truth > > >> > > > > > >> > > > truth is so beautiful because it points and parts the way for > > >> realisation to take place .. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > merle > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà > > >> > > > Edgar, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Reality is not bound by logic. I'd buy your statement if you said > > >> 'math words because it accurately models our logically-based > > perception of > > >> reality', but I suppose that wouldn't work for you. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > > >> > > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Bill, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > No, no, no. Human math works because it DOES accurately model > > the > > >> actual logic of reality. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Edgar > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Bill! wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Chris, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors > > the > > >> human intellect. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ...Bill! > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for > > zen > > >> is that it > > >> > > > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear > > >> equations. > > >> > > > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal > > >> unity is seen. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks, > > >> > > > > > > --Chris > > >> > > > > > > 301-270-6524 > > >> > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bill!: > > >> > > > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were > > >> looking for an > > >> > > > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it > > >> leads you back > > >> > > > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of > > the > > >> model, then > > >> > > > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we > > >> realize that both > > >> > > > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience > > >> encompasses all -- no > > >> > > > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become > > rivers > > >> and mountains > > >> > > > > > > > again! > > >> > > > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of > > >> Cause-and-Effect and > > >> > > > > > > > Karma > > >> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > >> > > > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there > > is > > >> > > > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so > > much a > > >> > > > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic > > quality of > > >> > > > > > > > the act itself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > >> > > > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > >> > > > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > >> > > > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > >> > > > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > >> > > > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > >> > > > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > >> > > > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > >> > > > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > >> > > > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that > > "good" > > >> > > > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently > > have > > >> > > > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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