Yes, I would say our perceptions are analogies... IMO they are only analogies of each other, all circular-like and what-have-you. This is why they are delusions, to use your term -- right there, an example; terminology: just as all of our perceptions are only analogies of each other, all of our words are only defined words that are defined by words, ad infinitum. From the fractal nature of the universe, all the way to the senses themselves being analogies of each other.
If Zen was listed on your "Religions Explained" post, I'd write in "Same shit, new flies." and so what, we turn to posting more analogies online about pointing to moons, and beggars, and birds, and frogs, and math, and mountains, and clapping hand(s)... We contemplate, debate, and masturbate, and I suppose this is a the part where I make a hungry ghost analogy. Samara, enlightenment, illusion, experience, awakening, reality, and zen are all just analogies too. We make analogies about Buddha nature, as if a "check" to see if we have it or if we do not have it. Great. Here's another analogy: a turd swirling the toilet bowl of samsara. Bah, humbug! ;-) -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 7/5/13, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing To: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 5, 2013, 9:08 PM PBS, In fact you could say that most of our perceptions are like analogies themselves...Bill! --- In [email protected], pandabananasock@... wrote: > > > Bill!, > It takes one to know one! > ~PeeBeeEss > > > ------------------------------ > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:30 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > >PBS, > > > >Good analogy! > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], pandabananasock@ wrote: > >> > >> > >> Perception, delusion, thought... these are all based on each other. Experience just IS. You can't think of anything you don't already know -- thoughts that feel new are just new combinations of pieces of old knowledge. > >> > >> When we do experience "experience", mind is aware of it, and does what it does best, which is to 'realize' it (VERY quickly, too). At this point, it is no longer 'experience'. > >> > >> It's like going bird-watching; you quietly sneak upon a beautiful specimen. As you slowly reach for your binoculars, your dumb-ass buddy shouts, "HEY!! THERE'S ONE UP THERE!!! HURRY, IT'S FLYING AWAY FOR SOME REASON!! WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I SEE A BIRD IT FLIES AWAY?!?!" > >> > >> Your buddy really believes the bird is flying away because it was seen; he is confusing his identifying shouts for the act of seeing the bird. You'd have a much easier time (effortless, in fact) if you went to the woods by yourself, but your buddy is the one with the car! > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:48 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > >> > >> >Merle, > >> > > >> >First of all perceptions are neither good or bad, they're just delusional. There only 'bad' if you form attachments to them (believe they are real). > >> > > >> >In the quote my interpretations is 'seeing' is experience and 'thinking' is perception and other intellectual activities. > >> > > >> >The quote is: > >> > > >> >"The foolish reject what they see and not what they think;..." > >> > > >> >This to me a caution about placing more importance in thinking than experience. > >> > > >> >"..the wise reject what they think and not what they see." > >> > > >> >This to me is an encouragement to put less importance on what you think and more on what you experience. > >> > > >> >...Bill! > >> > > >> >--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >  > >> >  seeing is good > >> >  thinking is bad... > >> > is this the correct perception ?.. > >> > merle > >> > > >> > > >> >  > >> > This is mainly for Merle. > >> > > >> > I thought it might help if I enlisted a little help from one of my buddies... > >> > > >> > > >> > ...Bill! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------ > >> > > >> >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links [email protected] ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
