It sounds like the forum is not an entertaining pass time for you? Personally I occasionally find gems of language like "the toilet bowl of samsara". This phrase particularly resonates with me as I live in a place with my two kids and only one toilet and last night i had to break out the plunger and the full suite of household towels during dinner preparation with guests.
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jul 5, 2013 11:36 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, I would say our perceptions are analogies... IMO they are only > analogies of each other, all circular-like and what-have-you. This is why > they are delusions, to use your term -- right there, an example; > terminology: just as all of our perceptions are only analogies of each > other, all of our words are only defined words that are defined by words, > ad infinitum. From the fractal nature of the universe, all the way to the > senses themselves being analogies of each other. > > If Zen was listed on your "Religions Explained" post, I'd write in "Same > shit, new flies." > > and so what, we turn to posting more analogies online about pointing to > moons, and beggars, and birds, and frogs, and math, and mountains, and > clapping hand(s)... We contemplate, debate, and masturbate, and I suppose > this is a the part where I make a hungry ghost analogy. Samara, > enlightenment, illusion, experience, awakening, reality, and zen are all > just analogies too. We make analogies about Buddha nature, as if a "check" > to see if we have it or if we do not have it. Great. > > Here's another analogy: a turd swirling the toilet bowl of samsara. Bah, > humbug! ;-) > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 7/5/13, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, July 5, 2013, 9:08 PM > > PBS, > > In fact you could say that most of our perceptions are like > analogies themselves...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], > pandabananasock@... wrote: > > > > > > Bill!, > > It takes one to know one! > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:30 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > >PBS, > > > > > >Good analogy! > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > >--- In [email protected], > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Perception, delusion, thought... these > are all based on each other. Experience just IS. You can't > think of anything you don't already know -- thoughts that > feel new are just new combinations of pieces of old > knowledge. > > >> > > >> When we do experience "experience", mind > is aware of it, and does what it does best, which is to > 'realize' it (VERY quickly, too). At this point, it is no > longer 'experience'. > > >> > > >> It's like going bird-watching; you > quietly sneak upon a beautiful specimen. As you slowly reach > for your binoculars, your dumb-ass buddy shouts, "HEY!! > THERE'S ONE UP THERE!!! HURRY, IT'S FLYING AWAY FOR SOME > REASON!! WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I SEE A BIRD IT FLIES > AWAY?!?!" > > >> > > >> Your buddy really believes the bird is > flying away because it was seen; he is confusing his > identifying shouts for the act of seeing the bird. You'd > have a much easier time (effortless, in fact) if you went to > the woods by yourself, but your buddy is the one with the > car! > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:48 AM EDT Bill! > wrote: > > >> > > >> >Merle, > > >> > > > >> >First of all perceptions are neither > good or bad, they're just delusional. There only 'bad' if > you form attachments to them (believe they are real). > > >> > > > >> >In the quote my interpretations is > 'seeing' is experience and 'thinking' is perception and > other intellectual activities. > > >> > > > >> >The quote is: > > >> > > > >> >"The foolish reject what they see > and not what they think;..." > > >> > > > >> >This to me a caution about placing > more importance in thinking than experience. > > >> > > > >> >"..the wise reject what they think > and not what they see." > > >> > > > >> >This to me is an encouragement to > put less importance on what you think and more on what you > experience. > > >> > > > >> >...Bill! > > >> > > > >> >--- In [email protected], > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >  > > >> >  seeing is good > > >> >  thinking is bad... > > >> > is this the correct perception ?.. > > >> > merle > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >  > > >> > This is mainly for Merle. > > >> > > > >> > I thought it might help if I > enlisted a little help from one of my buddies... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ...Bill! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------------ > > >> > > > >> >Current Book Discussion: any Zen > book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about > it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that > you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it > today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > Links > > > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
