Please forgive me for my misunderstanding. I get annoyed when people complain about some optional part of their life that they choose to partake in. I very much enjoy your postings, so if you are enjoying the puppets, please do post.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane, currently enjoying the bathtub of samsara. On Jul 6, 2013 11:19 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Chris, > > Your accusation of my practice of to-hell-with-it-all Zen is warranted by > my last post, but not accurate. > > Put it this way: talking about direct experience is more difficult than > trying to convey the entire Bible only through the use of shadow-puppets. > All the questions and answers on this forum are like this, I suppose. > That doesn't mean making shadow-puppets isn't fun for me, but it does mean > that I don't mistake them for what they represent. First, shadow-puppets, > then meaningless silhouettes, then shadow-puppets again. > > Here's a shadow-puppet: let the present moment be your teacher, and don't > learn a damn thing from it! > > How DARE you accuse me of talking smack about my beloved forum?!? ;-) > -PBS > > ------------------------------ > On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 11:40 AM EDT Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > >It sounds like the forum is not an entertaining pass time for you? > > > >Personally I occasionally find gems of language like "the toilet bowl of > >samsara". This phrase particularly resonates with me as I live in a place > >with my two kids and only one toilet and last night i had to break out > the > >plunger and the full suite of household towels during dinner preparation > >with guests. > > > >Thanks, > >--Chris > >301-270-6524 > > On Jul 5, 2013 11:36 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Yes, I would say our perceptions are analogies... IMO they are only > >> analogies of each other, all circular-like and what-have-you. This is > why > >> they are delusions, to use your term -- right there, an example; > >> terminology: just as all of our perceptions are only analogies of each > >> other, all of our words are only defined words that are defined by > words, > >> ad infinitum. From the fractal nature of the universe, all the way to > the > >> senses themselves being analogies of each other. > >> > >> If Zen was listed on your "Religions Explained" post, I'd write in > "Same > >> shit, new flies." > >> > >> and so what, we turn to posting more analogies online about pointing to > >> moons, and beggars, and birds, and frogs, and math, and mountains, and > >> clapping hand(s)... We contemplate, debate, and masturbate, and I > suppose > >> this is a the part where I make a hungry ghost analogy. Samara, > >> enlightenment, illusion, experience, awakening, reality, and zen are > all > >> just analogies too. We make analogies about Buddha nature, as if a > "check" > >> to see if we have it or if we do not have it. Great. > >> > >> Here's another analogy: a turd swirling the toilet bowl of samsara. > Bah, > >> humbug! ;-) > >> > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> On Fri, 7/5/13, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Huang Po on Thinking and Seeing > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, July 5, 2013, 9:08 PM > >> > >> PBS, > >> > >> In fact you could say that most of our perceptions are like > >> analogies themselves...Bill! > >> > >> --- In [email protected], > >> pandabananasock@... wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Bill!, > >> > It takes one to know one! > >> > ~PeeBeeEss > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 10:30 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > >> > > >> > >PBS, > >> > > > >> > >Good analogy! > >> > > > >> > >...Bill! > >> > > > >> > >--- In [email protected], > >> pandabananasock@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Perception, delusion, thought... these > >> are all based on each other. Experience just IS. You can't > >> think of anything you don't already know -- thoughts that > >> feel new are just new combinations of pieces of old > >> knowledge. > >> > > > >> > > When we do experience "experience", mind > >> is aware of it, and does what it does best, which is to > >> 'realize' it (VERY quickly, too). At this point, it is no > >> longer 'experience'. > >> > > > >> > > It's like going bird-watching; you > >> quietly sneak upon a beautiful specimen. As you slowly reach > >> for your binoculars, your dumb-ass buddy shouts, "HEY!! > >> THERE'S ONE UP THERE!!! HURRY, IT'S FLYING AWAY FOR SOME > >> REASON!! WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I SEE A BIRD IT FLIES > >> AWAY?!?!" > >> > > > >> > > Your buddy really believes the bird is > >> flying away because it was seen; he is confusing his > >> identifying shouts for the act of seeing the bird. You'd > >> have a much easier time (effortless, in fact) if you went to > >> the woods by yourself, but your buddy is the one with the > >> car! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:48 AM EDT Bill! > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >Merle, > >> > > > > >> > > >First of all perceptions are neither > >> good or bad, they're just delusional. There only 'bad' if > >> you form attachments to them (believe they are real). > >> > > > > >> > > >In the quote my interpretations is > >> 'seeing' is experience and 'thinking' is perception and > >> other intellectual activities. > >> > > > > >> > > >The quote is: > >> > > > > >> > > >"The foolish reject what they see > >> and not what they think;..." > >> > > > > >> > > >This to me a caution about placing > >> more importance in thinking than experience. > >> > > > > >> > > >"..the wise reject what they think > >> and not what they see." > >> > > > > >> > > >This to me is an encouragement to > >> put less importance on what you think and more on what you > >> experience. > >> > > > > >> > > >...Bill! > >> > > > > >> > > >--- In [email protected], > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >  > >> > > >  seeing is good > >> > > >  thinking is bad... > >> > > > is this the correct perception ?.. > >> > > > merle > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >  > >> > > > This is mainly for Merle. > >> > > > > >> > > > I thought it might help if I > >> enlisted a little help from one of my buddies... > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >------------------------------------ > >> > > > > >> > > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen > >> book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about > >> it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > >Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that > >> you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it > >> today!Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > >> read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > >> Links > >> > >> > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or > are > >> reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
