Greetings Ian, >> > 1) I'm awake, not sleeping >> >>"I" am awake (in samsara). ;-) > >Ok, there's a difference in that I did not use quotes around - I - but you >did. This is because when I is used when speaking conventionally, it >refers to the body and mind. When "I" is used to refer to the ego self, it >is referring to something that does not, in fact, exist.
Granted, the ego-I is non-exisitent, but so is everything else non-existant. For a moment let's look at dreaming. I would contend dreams don't exist without a dreamer. Dreamer and dream begin and end together. I contend the same view holds for waking life: waking dreamer (ego)/waking dream (samsara). The delusion of samsara doesn't "exist" without the deluded ego. It all dependently co-arises and co-subsides. You were using "I am awake" in the conventional sense, refering to body and mind. OK. But the doctrine of dependent co-arising states "Dependent upon relinking-consciousness there is the arising of Mind-body" or, alternately, "Due to the condition of consciousness, name and form arise." If relinking-consciousness subsides, Mind-body/name&form subsides, "From the cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-&-form." Do you disagree with this principle? Do you believe a dream can exist without a dreamer? David -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
