Greetings Ian,

>> > 1) I'm awake, not sleeping
>>
>>"I" am awake (in samsara). ;-)
>
>Ok, there's a difference in that I did not use quotes around - I - but you 
>did.  This is because when I is used when speaking conventionally, it 
>refers to the body and mind.  When "I" is used to refer to the ego self, it 
>is referring to something that does not, in fact, exist.

Granted, the ego-I is non-exisitent, but so is everything else non-existant. 
For a moment let's look at dreaming. I would contend dreams don't exist without 
a dreamer. Dreamer and dream begin and end together. 

I contend the same view holds for waking life: waking dreamer (ego)/waking 
dream (samsara). The delusion of samsara doesn't "exist" without the deluded 
ego.  It all dependently co-arises and co-subsides. 

You were using "I am awake" in the conventional sense, refering to body and 
mind. OK. But the doctrine of dependent co-arising states "Dependent upon 
relinking-consciousness there is the arising of Mind-body" or, alternately, 
"Due to the condition of consciousness, name and form arise." If 
relinking-consciousness subsides, Mind-body/name&form subsides, "From the 
cessation of consciousness comes the cessation of name-&-form."

Do you disagree with this principle? Do you believe a dream can exist without a 
dreamer? 

David 



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