At 10:49 AM 5/3/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > Huh. I would have thought it could arise without "me"... but now I'm not > > sure. Is it inherently subjective... is anything inherently > > subjective? What about vision, eye-consciousness... that certainly arises > > without "me"... right? lol I don't understand anything. :) Is this > > something special about feelings that you are pointing out? Or does this > > apply to all experience whatsoever? > >Nothing special about feelings. It was just what came up as part of the >earlier discussion. > > > What about vision, eye-consciousness... that certainly arises without > "me"... right? lol > >Does it? How would you know? Seer/seeing/seen.
Ok - something is not adding up for me here. When I put "me" in quotes like that, I am referring to the constructed self-grasping - the idea of "I am". This is not an essential component of awareness at all. It can be abandoned. I am not referring to the aggregates (which includes the physical eyes). After enlightenment, the Buddha, Zen Masters, and others still see, hear, feel and function normally, obviously. But they are completely free of self-grasping constructions, unlike others, who still have this. How does this fit in with what you are saying? Ian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UwRTUD/UOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
