>On Sunday, December 18 Ian posted:
>
>And let me just agree with you wholeheartedly here: Zen IS Buddhism.

I just as wholeheartedly disagree with this entire part of your post.

Zen is not Buddhism.  Most Buddhists in the world have either never heard of
zen or consider it an heretical cult.

>There is no Zen outside of Buddhism.

There is plenty of zen outside of Buddhism.  Zen is not exclusively bounded
by Buddhism.  It's tempting to think of zen as the end product of a
progressive evolution of Buddhism from Hinayana to Mahayana to zen.  I used
to think of it that way and can understand and appreciate that argument.
But trying to corral zen within a Buddhist ideology is like stocking cheddar
in the dairy section side-by-side with Velveeta. 

<It would be like saying there is such a thing as cheddar apart from cheese.

There is such a thing as Cheddar apart from cheese.  Cheddar is a village
and a gorge in the county of Somerset in southwest England.

Gassho...Bill!




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