Have youse guys read the article?
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From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Conditional divine love
> "Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full
> flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are
> conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law."
> Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that love is
> conditional. It seems to me that Love from our Father and our Savior is
> unconditional and as part of that they want us to receive as much as we
> but no more blessing than we can handle.
> The blessing may be conditional, but surely not the love. If Elder Nelson
> said any different than that I would be disappointed, but I will read the
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> From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:32 AM
> Subject: [ZION] Conditional divine love
> > Some time ago on this very list (probably its incarnation on zilker.net
> > or some other pre-Topica server), a rather heated discussion -- imagine
> > that! -- arose regarding, of all topics, God's love. Some of us claimed
> > that the scriptures clearly teach that God's love is conditional, given
> > to some more than to others, and dependent in its intensity on the
> > actions and heart of the recipient; while others steadfastly maintained
> > that God's love is unconditional, that he loves the rankest, vilest
> > sinner just as much as he loves the most virtuous of men and women.
> > I thus find it interesting that this month's Ensign includes an article
> > by Elder Nelson extolling the *conditional* nature of God's love. I
> > definitely recommend the article to all, which starts on page 20 of the
> > February 2003 Ensign. Some relevant quotations follow:
> > "While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and
> > universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as *unconditional*."
> > [emphasis in original]
> > "With scriptural patterns of conditional statements in mind, we note
> > many verses that declare the conditional nature of divine love for us.
> > Examples include: [John 15:10; D&C 95:12; John 14:23; Proverbs 8:17;
> > Acts 10:34-35; 1 Nephi 17:40; John 14:21]"
> > "Understanding that divine love and blessings are not truly
> > 'unconditional' can defend us against common fallacies such as these:
> > 'Since God's love is unconditional, He will love me regardless...'; or
> > 'Since ''God is love,'' He will love me unconditionally, regardless...'
> > These arguments are used by anti-Christs to woo people with deception."
> > "Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full
> > flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are
> > conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law."
> > Stephen
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