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> From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out
> At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, you wrote:
> >RE: Punch Their Lights Out    Steven Montgomery
> >   Nov 13, 2003 06:51 PST
> >
> >At 03:18 PM 11/12/2003, RBS wrote:
> >
> >   been interesting. A high school classmate of mine, an ACLU lawyer,
> >
> >Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins:
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/graymada/aclu.html<
> >
> >Aha, more half-truths from the Sons of Joe. And here I thought you were a
> >serious thinker.
> I am a serious thinker! Which is why I believe that Joe McCarthy was a
> great American. After all the half-truths, lies, and slander of the last
> half century about Joe McCarthy he was vindicated--by the KGB, of
> all groups:

Vindicated only in the minds of his fellow travelers, like the ones noted
below.  Do you bother to read anything that isn't published by demagogues of
the right? See below.

Instead of posting what other people think, give me a idea of your own
original thoughts. I assume you have a few, seeings how you're a pretty
bright guy.

BTW, I've been fairly liberal politically since about 1968 (before that I
was quite conservative actually.  If I could have voted in 1964 --I was but
19 and you had to be 21 to vote then -- mine would have gone to Barry
Goldwater. I remember being physically sickened by the overwhelming vote for
Johnson).  Despite my shift politically, I continued to believe that the
Communist Party in the U.S. received funds, directly or indirectly, from the
U.S.S.R.  But I'm also certain that plenty of college age kids who were
intrigued by Communism would have lost interest quickly if they'd believed
the Communist Part was funded by the U.S.S.R.  Arguably, most of them
wouldn't have been interested had we not had a quite evil war on our hands.
For instance, we published an article, a diatribe actually, favoring
communism written by a kid who is now an agent for the CIA, as were both of
his parents.

Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat today.  And, please don't
post reams of stuff I've read before.  Tell me what YOU think.

Ron Scott

> The opening of the KGB archives and the release of the VENONA intercepts
> (decoded Soviet KGB and GRU traffic) proved that in the 1950's Senator
> Joseph McCarthy was absolutely right about the extensive Soviet
> penetration
> of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive sections and its
> danger to
> America.  According to the KGB archives, the NKVD had 221 agents in the
> Roosevelt administration in April 1941 and the Soviet military
> GRU probably
> had a like number.  He was proved right that the Communist Party, U.S.A.,
> was an arm of the Soviet intelligence apparatus and the Soviet Union
> considered the U.S. as their "main enemy".
> His liberal critics in academe and the mainstream media, who denied there
> was Communist subversion and made excuses for it, were proved absolutely
> wrong!  This should have discredited the liberal ideology and those who
> mouthed it.  Because the left had no answer or effective reply to the
> challenge McCarthy posed, they engaged in personal destruction -- they
> smeared and demonized McCarthy because he was truth.
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------
> By Ann Coulter, political analyst, attorney and author
> It is appropriate to honor the five men who did the most to defend our
> freedom in the last century.  The names are easy to remember 
> they are the
> five men most loathed by liberals: Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover,
> Richard Nixon, Whittaker Chambers and Ronald Reagan.
> McCarthy died censured and despised at 48 years old, his name a
> malediction.  Hoover is maligned for having been a mad spymaster and is
> lyingly smeared as a cross-dresser  by people who admire cross-dressers.
> Nixon was hated for convicting Alger Hiss and hounded to resign the
> presidency in disgrace.  Though persecuted in his day, Whittaker Chambers
> is not hated today only on a technicality:  The MTV generation
> doesn't know
> who he is.  They'd hate him too, but it would take research.  By
> contrast,
> Ronald Reagan has prevailed over the left's campaign of lies only because
> the American people do remember him  so far.
> Notwithstanding the left's fantastic lies, these men won a 50-year war
> because of the abiding anti-communism of the American people.  These are
> the heroes of the Cold War, and all have been personally reviled
> for their
> trouble.
> Caught absolutely red-handed, the left's shameful refusal to admit
> collaboration with one of the great totalitarian regimes of the last
> century quickly transformed into a vicious slander campaign against those
> who bore witness against them.  Half a century ago, Louis Budenz, an
> ex-communist informant, warned investigators that if they dared go after
> the Communist Party, they would be subjected to savage attacks, never
> "honest rebuttal".
> Absurdly, liberals claim to hate J. Edgar Hoover because of their passion
> for civil liberties.  As President Franklin D. Roosevelt rounded up
> Japanese for the internment camps, liberals deemed it appropriate
> to throw
> Japanese citizens into internment camps on the basis of no evidence of
> subversive activity whatsoever.  But it was outrageous for the
> FBI director
> to spy on high government officials taking their orders from
> Moscow.  As we
> now know, Hoover didn't need to engage in much surveillance to
> know who the
> Soviet agents were  he already knew from decrypted Soviet cables.
> Liberals sheltered communists.  Hoover was on to them, so they
> called him a
> fag.  While Hoover was alive, any journalist who could prove he was "gay"
> would have won a Pulitzer Prize.  But they couldn't even get Hoover on a
> jaywalking charge.  Only after he was dead did liberals go hog-wild
> inventing lurid fantasies about Hoover showing up at parties in drag.
> Americans should thank God that McCarthy, Hoover, Nixon, Chambers and
> Reagan were men enough to make real sacrifices.
> ------------------------------------------
> by James J. Drummey, former senior editor of "The New American"
> Nearly 40 years after the death of Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,
> twice-elected United States Senator from Wisconsin, the term
> "McCarthyism"
> is still widely used as a convenient epithet for all that is evil and
> despicable in the world of politics.
> However, it is quite clear that not one critic of McCarthy in a
> hundred has
> the slightest idea of what he said and did during that
> controversial period
> from 1950 to 1954.  We need to be vitally concerned about the issues he
> raised because virtually nothing has been done to deal effectively with
> those issues since the mid-1950s.
>    Joe McCarthy was elected as a circuit judge in Wisconsin in 1939 and
> took over a district court that had a backlog of more than 200 cases.  By
> eliminating a lot of legal red tape and working long hours (his court
> remained open past midnight at least a dozen times), Judge
> McCarthy cleared
> up the backlog quickly and, in the words of one local newspaper,
> "administered justice promptly and with a combination of legal knowledge
> and good sense."
> Although his judgeship exempted him from military service, McCarthy
> enlisted in the Marines and was sworn in as a first lieutenant in August
> 1942. He served as an intelligence officer for a bomber squadron
> stationed
> in the Solomon Islands, and also risked his life by volunteering
> to fly in
> the tail-gunner's seat on many combat missions. An ABC television movie
> about McCarthy in the late 1970s was entitled "Tail Gunner Joe"
> to belittle
> his military accomplishments, but the official record gives the true
> picture.  Not only were McCarthy's achievements during 30 months
> of active
> duty unanimously praised by his commanding officers, but Admiral Chester
> Nimitz, commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, issued a glowing
> citation
> to then Captain McCarthy.
>    In 1946, Joe McCarthy upset incumbent U.S. Senator Robert La
> Follette in
> the Republican primary and went on to beat Democrat Howard
> McMurray  in the
> general election.  When McCarthy scored his surprising victory over La
> Follette, the communists did not file the petitions for their candidate,
> but rallied instead behind McMurray. Thus, Joe McCarthy defeated a
> Democratic-Communist Party coalition in 1946.
> In the fall of 1949, three men brought to McCarthy's office a
> 100-page FBI
> report alleging extensive communist penetration of the State
> Department.  The trio had asked three other senators to awaken
> the American
> people to this dangerous situation, but only McCarthy was willing to take
> on this volatile project.
> Communist infiltration of the State Department began in the 1930s. On
> September 2, 1939, former communist Whittaker Chambers provided Assistant
> Secretary of State Adolph Berle with the names and communist
> connections of
> two dozen spies in the government, including Alger Hiss.  Berle took the
> information to President Roosevelt, but FDR laughed it off and said that
> some of his friends were communists.
> Hiss moved rapidly up the State Department ladder and served as
> an adviser
> to Roosevelt at the disastrous 1945 Yalta Conference that paved
> the way for
> the Soviet conquest of Central and Eastern Europe.  Hiss also
> functioned as
> secretary-general of the founding meeting of the United Nations in San
> Francisco, helped to draft the UN Charter, and later filled dozens of
> positions at the UN with American communists before he was
> publicly exposed
> as a Soviet spy by Whittaker Chambers in 1948.
> -------------------------------------------------------
> On February 9, 1950, McCarthy made an electrifying speech at
> Wheeling, West
> VA, that he had a list of Communists in the State Department.  By July he
> was a major political force.  John F. Kennedy told Harvard students that
> "he knew Joe pretty well, and he may have something."  In February 1952,
> John Kennedy called McCarthy a "great American patriot".
> During McCarthy's entire 1947 to 1957 career, no American citizen was
> interrogated without benefit of legal counsel, none arrested or detained
> without due judicial process, and no one went to jail without trial.
> On July 30, 1954, Senator Ralph Flanders introduced a resolution accusing
> McCarthy of conduct "unbecoming a member of the United States
> Senate."  Flanders told the Senate that McCarthy's "anti-Communism so
> completely parallels that of Adolf Hitler as to strike fear into
> the hearts
> of any defenseless minority."
> A special session of the Senate convened on November 8, 1954. Perhaps
> because the charges were so bogus, perhaps because he wanted
> publicity, Joe
> McCarthy avoided several opportunities to dismiss the censure resolution
> (which was so poorly worded that it didn't even have the word
> 'censure' in
> it).  He welcomed a vote.  It went against him. Although meaningless in
> itself, it gave the liberal press the excuse to ignore and/or
> bash McCarthy
> the rest of his life.
> On May 2, 1957, Joseph R. McCarthy died from acute hepatitis.
> --
> Steven Montgomery
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