Martijn Faassen wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >> we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is >> supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included >> in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such. > > I'm worried about this approach, as it stops the Five project from > exposing more Zope 3 functionality into Zope 2 directly, instead having > to wait for a new release of Zope 2 that includes the missing bits.
That's why I want to make sure that we include as much of zope.app in Zope 2. But I'm just one man so I tried to focus on current usage. I'm sure we all want to use as much as possible from Zope 3 in our Zope 2 projects in the future, but we have to draw the line for this release. The freeze is 3 weeks away. I'm aware that we might not get it all done for Zope 2.10. That's ok, we can phase out Zope 2's zope.app usage over a longer time. > I'd therefore recommend an approach that includes as much of zope.app > into Zope 2 as is possible, while leaving out the obvious bits that > shouldn't be there, like Twisted. Then what's the point of zope.app at all? You're almost sounding like you want to move everything in zope.* to zope.app. I think in the past we didn't really understand what zope.app was. We just put everything in there. That didn't work. The twisted thing is just the biggest symptom. A much different, perhaps more subtle symptom is the fact that reusing stuff from zope.app is harder than reusing stuff that's independent of it. The fact that Zope 2 ships with zope.app is not because it wants to but because it needs to. All the things that *should* be reusable are tucked away there. If we continue to put everything in the zope.app bag, we won't be able to release more technology independently. I remember that you yourself suggested to put widgets into a more accessible and reusable location. I'm suggesting the same thing for all that other Zope 3 technology. Zope 2 is just the biggest motivator. Philipp _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )