Stefane Fermigier wrote:

Wade Leftwich wrote:
Guido van Rossum is looking for a web app framework.

Zope is conspicuous by its absence from the discussion. Hardly a
mention, and no advocacy at all.  Is Zope just too heavyweight for the
project he has in mind? Or what?

I don't think the point is trying to convince guido to use Zope for his
pet project, the point is global advocacy:

- Guido's word is considered gospel by many people (in that occurrence,
I must confess that I have been profoundly disappointed by his attitude
- his utter and a priori rejection of XML for a template language, that
will be used 95% for the time to produce (X)HTML and the 5% remaining
other variant of XML, with all that it implies in terms of validation,
etc. is plainly stupid).

- Like you noticed, Zope quasi-absence from the discussion is suspicious.

Lennart did a reply on his blog

Anyway, I'm saddened by both the quasi-absence of the Zope community in
this debate, and also the badmouthing of Zope (even sometimes, the
hatred) by some Python developpers taking part in the discussion.

There are, however, some constructive remarks like Ian Bicking's:


I think this has to do with python being used both as a scripting language and as a language to create high-level components. There will always be a category of users looking for quick-and-dirty templating capabilities in web frameworks and others looking for more abstract components that address issues from a more abstract and certainly more complex perspective.

In zope itself level the same opposition can be found between "file-system" vs "TTW python-script"-based development.

I wonder how those who criticize zope3 for being too big a framework and too complex to understand, would figure out how to use Java-based web application frameworks...

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