On 27 June 2010 21:25, John G. Rose <johnr...@polyplexic.com> wrote: > It's just that something like world hunger is so complex AGI would have to > master simpler problems. >
I am not sure that that follows necessarily. Computing is full of situations where a seemingly simple problem is not solved and a more complex one is. I remember posting some time ago on Cassini. > Also, there are many people and institutions that have solutions to world > hunger already and they get ignored. > Indeed. AGI in the shape of a search engine would find these solutions. World Hunger might well be soluble *simply because so much work has already been done.* AGI might well start off as search and develop into feasibility ans solutions. > So an AGI would have to get established over a period of time for anyone to > really care what it has to say about these types of issues. It could > simulate things and come up with solutions but they would not get > implemented unless it had power to influence. So in addition AGI would need > to know how to make people listen... and maybe obey. > This is CRESS. CRESS would be an accessible option. > > > IMO I think AGI will take the embedded route - like other types of computer > systems - IRS, weather, military, Google, etc. and we become dependent > intergenerationally so that it is impossible to survive without. At that > point AGI's will have power to influence. > > > Look! The point is this:- 1) An embedded system is AI not AGI. 2) AGI will arise simply because all embedded systems are themselves searchable. - Ian Parker > > > *From:* Ian Parker [mailto:ianpark...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, June 26, 2010 2:19 PM > *To:* agi > *Subject:* Re: [agi] The problem with AGI per Sloman > > > > Actually if you are serious about solving a political or social question > then what you really need is CRESS<http://cress.soc.surrey.ac.uk/web/home>. > The solution of World Hunger is BTW a political question not a technical > one. Hunger is largely due to bad governance in the Third World. How do you > get good governance. One way to look at the problem is via CRESS and > run simulations in second life. > > > > One thing which has in fact struck me in my linguistic researches is this. > Google Translate is based on having Gigabytes of bilingual text. The fact > that GT is so bad at technical Arabic indicates the absence of such > bilingual text. Indeed Israel publishes more papers than the whole of the > Islamic world. This is of profound importance for understanding the Middle > East. I am sure CRESS would confirm this. > > > > AGI would without a doubt approach political questions by examining all the > data about the various countries before making a conclusion. AGI would > probably be what you would consult for long term solutions. It might not be > so good at dealing with something (say) like the Gaza flotilla. In coing to > this conclusion I have the University of Surrey and CRESS in mind. > > > > > > - Ian Parker > > On 26 June 2010 14:36, John G. Rose <johnr...@polyplexic.com> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ian Parker [mailto:ianpark...@gmail.com] > > > > > > How do you solve World Hunger? Does AGI have to. I think if it is truly > "G" it > > has to. One way would be to find out what other people had written on the > > subject and analyse the feasibility of their solutions. > > > > > > Yes, that would show the generality of their AGI theory. Maybe a particular > AGI might be able to work with some problems but plateau out on its > intelligence for whatever reason and not be able to work on more > sophisticated issues. An AGI could be "hardcoded" perhaps and not improve > much, whereas another AGI might improve to where it could tackle vast > unknowns at increasing efficiency. There are common components in tackling > unknowns, complexity classes for example, but some AGI systems may operate > significantly more efficiently and improve. Human brains at some point may > plateau without further augmentation though I'm not sure we have come close > to what the brain is capable of. > > John > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
