Thank you very much about all these helpfull suggestions, guys.
actually the gauges from 80 CD till 105CD are made half loaded using also a
stiffer elastomer. This combination is perfect fo the tonl trasiction
betweenj pure gut/nylon/Nylgut to a wound strings, KF or CDs etc etc.
I call this range of gauges simply as Meanes. they are still CD types
however.
In practice they are around the 5th course of renaissance & d minor Lutes.
I have intentionally exluded the 4th courses because make not sense at all
to use a denser strings on it. The 80 CD is just done for those that are
curious.
well, I done the very first prototypes (than cannot be perfect) and sent out
to some friends to hear their opinions: of course, some of them were uneven.
Despite that I had very good reports.
Some installed them also like octaves (!): I never realized that additional
option. However, I do not raccomend. Octaves normally can works at higher
working index than a 5 th course; so they can breack.
said that, I agree with you Matthew. thanks
Martin, a stiffer string has an higher elasticity modulus so the
performances are less good than those of an equivalent string with more
elasticity. You probably reffers to the KF strings. However there are others
parameters at work here, for example the inner damping effect is one of
them, and it is not related to the elasticity modulus. This explain for
example why a special kind of nylon, whose density is far less than
fluorocarbon sound like this one. It was a huge surprise to me!
I am thinking that you guys prefer the second option. To me is even better,
it help to solve some problem becausew they sometime stick on the nut slots/
grooves.
False strings? yes, with prototypes can happen. when one start with the
ufficial production an extruder plant work exatly in the same even way. The
first strings are the waste and then the rest are done exactly in the same
way.
well, I am leaving italy to London so I have not time to re start; I will do
some samples both for meanes and basses just to see if they actually works
in the proper way
Be patient again; i cannot be too fast here.
Mimmo
-----Messaggio originale-----
From: Martin Shepherd
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 9:35 AM
To: Matthew Daillie ; Mimmo Peruffo
Cc: Arto Wikla ; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing
Tout à fait d'accord, Matthew.
I would add that "trueness" is not just a question of intonation when
notes are fretted. A false string never sounds in tune even as an open
string, and the pattern of vibration makes it buzz against the frets.
If your string heights are high enough that this isn't a problem,
they're too high.
I don't know whether the samples I had from Mimmo some time ago are the
same as the current production, but I thought they were too elastic. He
did say he was going to make a less elastic version for the thinner
strings, but I don't know whether he's implemented this idea or not (can
you tell us, Mimmo?). I'm slightly puzzled by the suggestion that the
less elastic version would have a duller or darker sound, I would almost
expect the opposite - as a comparison, the KF strings are very stiff but
sound bright.
It would be such a shame if after all his efforts we end up with a
string which is not as good as the old loaded gut. Actually the new
string needs to be better than that in terms of trueness.
Best wishes to all,
Martin
On 03/02/2017 09:06, Matthew Daillie wrote:
Dear Mimmo,
In my opinion there are two factors which need to be given priority even
before judging the sound of a string. Firstly it has to be true (with no
problems of intonation going up the fingerboard for stopped strings) and
secondly it has to be playable: on a well-made and well set up lute, it
must not catch on the nut, buzz, hit a neighbouring string, hit against
the fingerboard, or cause any other extraneous noises. If a string has the
potential to sound wonderful but does not meet these two criteria, then it
is of no use whatsoever.
Once that is established, obviously players want a string with a
full-bodied and stable tone, enough sustain to make voice-leading a
pleasure and the instrument to sing to the best of its ability and
sufficient power to provide convincing projection and resonance.
Personally I am looking for a warm and sweet tone with precise
fundamentals and enough overtones to make the timbre rich and variable.
Oh dear, that does sound like a holy grail doesn't it?
Fingers crossed!
Best
Matthew
On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:29, Mimmo Peruffo <mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:
Thank you for the suggestion Arto.
Unfortunately i cannot do it
I already image how confuse the thing will be with the customers.
This mean the eford to mannage twice products and honestly I do not
like to add cofusion in the factory and with customers already
stressed
by me!
I should do a choice and in fast time: is it better a more elastic
string like these are (whith problems related to the fact that maybe
stretch tooo much and that the sound is too bright) or it is better to
switch to a less elastic plastic support with the advantage that it
stretch less, the sound is darker and with less sustain?
Hard to do the choice: both solutions are ok; i already tried the
second option that is similar to the loaded gut strings
Even Anthony Bailes suggested me the second option.
Strings or not to strings? this is the question
ah ah
(my poor english at work)
Ciao
Mimmo
ps
which are your suggestion guys?
-----Messaggio originale-----
From: Arto Wikla
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:46 PM
To: Mimmo Peruffo ; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing
Dear Mimmo,
if you decide to make the loaded nylgut strings (CD) less elastic, I
hope (and wish and urge ;-) ) that you keep also the original elastic
version in your repertoire! They work exceptionally well on my Harz
arclute, great stuff.
And big thanks for your invaluable work!
Arto
On 02/02/17 14:03, Mimmo Peruffo wrote:
Well, seeing this post I have the idea to switch to these stiffer
ones.
at the end of the day they are closer to those loaded strings made of
gut.
I will do some samples in advance.
Mimmo
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