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Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the BFG g-Force Sport tire?
Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
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Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the BFG g-Force
Re: Softening your rubber(s)
Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:48:35 -0500
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the BFG g-Force Sport
tire?
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kumho Ecsta MX are also pretty good as far as dry summer performance goes and they
last forever. I am going on 20K miles and one track day on a set on my 95 M3. They
aren't as good as SO-3's in the wet and they aren't much good when it's very cold
either but they are relatively cheap.
Regards
Jamie Howton
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:40:51 -0700
From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'll second the recommendation for the Kumho MX on an E36 //M3, but
still a step below the Goodyear F1 which I use on the front now. If you
use 17's then try the 245/35x17 on the front. They fit the stock 7.5"
wheel, but need higher pressure than if they're mounted on an 8 or 8.5".
If a tire seems to need an excess amount of balancing weight, the
problem is likely insufficient training of the tire installer on the
equipment. The first time the regular tire jockey mounted the F1 the
stuck 2.5 ounces of weights on one side. Driving the car there was a
clear imbalance above 80mph.
The better balancing machines will give the best points on the
circumference of the tire and rim where they should be matched. After
those points were determined and the tire repositioned on the rim then
the tire balanced with 4 or less weights in two places.
Also, avoid balance weights on the centerline of the rim. Put the
weights on the inside and outside only.
ymmv,
Barry
Jamie Howton wrote:
>Kumho Ecsta MX are also pretty good as far as dry summer performance goes and they
>last forever. I am going on 20K miles and one track day on a set on my 95 M3. They
>aren't as good as SO-3's in the wet and they aren't much good when it's very cold
>either but they are relatively cheap.
>Regards Jamie Howton
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:01:15 -0400
From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'll second the recommendation for the Kumho MX on an E36 //M3, but
> still a step below the Goodyear F1 which I use on the front now. If you
> use 17's then try the 245/35x17 on the front. They fit the stock 7.5"
> wheel, but need higher pressure than if they're mounted on an 8 or 8.5".
You may be able to shoehorn on the 245/35/17, but isn't recommended by the
manufacturer. They don't have a 235/40/17 (or a 245/35/17 for that matter as Barry is
recommending). My issue with the Kumho MX is the sizes.
The only tires I could find in that size were the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 and the
Pirelli P7000 (which is only available in that size....strange). Both manufacturers
recommend an 8" rim width as a minimum (and Goodyear recommends an 8" rim width for
their 235/40/17 which would be even narrower for that matter).
I won't discuss the profile issue again either.
> If a tire seems to need an excess amount of balancing weight, the
> problem is likely insufficient training of the tire installer on the
> equipment. The first time the regular tire jockey mounted the F1 the
> stuck 2.5 ounces of weights on one side. Driving the car there was a
> clear imbalance above 80mph.
Or the manufacturing tolerances of the tire sucks.
Regards,
Rich
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Tires should be mounted in a manner that the wheel
runout cancels the radial force variation in the tire.
Balance is not part of the equation.
A tire that requires lots of balance weight is badly
built, assuming that the wheel is pretty close.
Gary Derian
--- JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second the recommendation for the Kumho MX
> on an E36 //M3, but
> still a step below the Goodyear F1 which I use on
> the front now. If you
> use 17's then try the 245/35x17 on the front. They
> fit the stock 7.5"
> wheel, but need higher pressure than if they're
> mounted on an 8 or 8.5".
>
> If a tire seems to need an excess amount of
> balancing weight, the
> problem is likely insufficient training of the tire
> installer on the
> equipment. The first time the regular tire jockey
> mounted the F1 the
> stuck 2.5 ounces of weights on one side. Driving
> the car there was a
> clear imbalance above 80mph.
> The better balancing machines will give the best
> points on the
> circumference of the tire and rim where they should
> be matched. After
> those points were determined and the tire
> repositioned on the rim then
> the tire balanced with 4 or less weights in two
> places.
> Also, avoid balance weights on the centerline of the
> rim. Put the
> weights on the inside and outside only.
> ymmv,
> Barry
>
> Jamie Howton wrote:
>
> >Kumho Ecsta MX are also pretty good as far as dry
> summer performance goes and they last forever. I am
> going on 20K miles and one track day on a set on my
> 95 M3. They aren't as good as SO-3's in the wet and
> they aren't much good when it's very cold either but
> they are relatively cheap.
> >Regards Jamie Howton
> >
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:17:04 -0400
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JKerouac wrote:
> I'll second the recommendation for the Kumho MX on an E36 //M3,
> but still a step below the Goodyear F1 which I use on the front now.
> If you use 17's then try the 245/35x17 on the front. They fit the
> stock 7.5" wheel, but need higher pressure than if they're mounted on
> an 8 or 8.5".
Well the F1s ought to be better - they're priced 40% higher than the
MX. Definitely not a fair comparison.
Brian
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:18:03 -0700
From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Goodyear 245/35x17 F1s cost less than the Kumho MX 245/40x17. So
they're worth a try.
Brian Daley wrote:
>
>
> JKerouac wrote:
>
>> I'll second the recommendation for the Kumho MX on an E36 //M3,
>> but still a step below the Goodyear F1 which I use on the front now.
>> If you use 17's then try the 245/35x17 on the front. They fit the
>> stock 7.5" wheel, but need higher pressure than if they're mounted on
>> an 8 or 8.5".
>
>
> Well the F1s ought to be better - they're priced 40% higher than the
> MX. Definitely not a fair comparison.
> Brian
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:37:06 -0500
From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I am suprised at how long they are lasting too, I was expecting to have to replace
them this season but they will easily make it until I have to put my snows on.
I don't have any experience with the RE750's. I had RE730's on my Porsche 928 a
couple of years ago, they got loud very quickly and stayed that way throughout their
life but I understand that's one of the issues that was taken care of with the RE750's.
Regards
Jamie Howton
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From: Brian Daley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 8/15/2004 3:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
I'm a little surprised when you say they last forever. I've heard
they're sticky which is consistent with their 220 treadwear rating, but
20K miles and counting is pretty good. For $10 more per tire the
RE750s have a 340 treadwear rating so in theory they should last about
50% longer which is why I was leaning that way.
Thanks,
Brian
Jamie Howton wrote:
>Kumho Ecsta MX are also pretty good as far as dry summer performance goes and
they last forever. I am going on 20K miles and one track day on a set on my 95 M3.
They aren't as good as SO-3's in the wet and they aren't much good when it's very cold
either but they are relatively cheap.
>
>Regards
>
>Jamie Howton
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:11:31 -0400
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'm a little surprised when you say they last forever. I've heard
they're sticky which is consistent with their 220 treadwear rating, but
20K miles and counting is pretty good. For $10 more per tire the
RE750s have a 340 treadwear rating so in theory they should last about
50% longer which is why I was leaning that way.
Thanks,
Brian
Jamie Howton wrote:
>Kumho Ecsta MX are also pretty good as far as dry summer performance goes and they
>last forever. I am going on 20K miles and one track day on a set on my 95 M3. They
>aren't as good as SO-3's in the wet and they aren't much good when it's very cold
>either but they are relatively cheap.
>
>Regards
>
>Jamie Howton
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Brian,
What I think you may not realize is that treadwear ratings
are not standardized across the industry. Therefore, you
can only make useful comparisons within a single
manufacturer's lineup; e.g., a Yokohama with a 220
treadwear rating would wear faster than a Yokohama with a
300, but might last longer than a BFG with a rating of 280.
Good luck with your purchase,
tammer
--- Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a little surprised when you say they last forever.
> I've heard
> they're sticky which is consistent with their 220
> treadwear rating, but
> 20K miles and counting is pretty good. For $10 more per
> tire the
> RE750s have a 340 treadwear rating so in theory they
> should last about
> 50% longer which is why I was leaning that way.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:17:21 -0400
From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the BFG g-Force
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I went with the g-Force sports for my 88 M3, one of the few new tires that come in
225/50/15.....
I've had them on the M3 for 3 weeks and but haven't been able to put many miles on
them yet, for one I had to have them balanced twice, they took a ton of wheel weights
on each wheel. The g-Force Sports are made in Taiwan. They have a very good ride
quality and seem to be on par with the likes of the Dunlop 8000 sports......I have not
been
in the wet much with them, so can't comment here..... I have noticed no tramlining at
all, not unlike the crapy Kumhos they replaced....I just hope I can get more than
10,000 miles out of them, but I doubt it <GRIN>.....
Brad Otto
88 M3 BFG g-Force Sports
88 ix BFG Traction TA's
>
> Subject: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the BFG g-Force
> Sport tire?
>
>
> I've got dedicated snows for my 94 325ic, so I'm looking for a 3-season
> tire with decent wet/dry performance and 30K plus mile tread life which
> should get me at least 2 seasons out of them. Budget is definitely an
> issue. It's my street-only daily driver so I don't want to waste money
> on performance I won't be using. I'd like to keep the total cost for 4
> tires shipped, mounted and balanced under $500.
> The gForce Sport appears to be new so there's not much information
> available. The Tire Rack description says it was designed for sport
> compacts. Is that likely to mean anything other than cosmetics? I was
> considering the Yoko AVS ES100s in the same price range but I've read
> too many negative comments about poor wear so per mile they don't look
> like such a bargain. The gForce Sports have a 340 treadwear rating vs.
> 280 for the ES100s so they should wear a bit better.
> I've heard nothing but praise for the Bridgestone RE750s (also 340
> treadwear) ratings, but that would put my total cost closer to $600. I
> think they're probably a no-brainer vs. the ES100, but the BFGs are an
> unknown quantity. Should I just suck it up and get the RE750s? Are
> there other tires with comparable performance/wear/price I should be
> considering?
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Brian
>
> --
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:52:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Softening your rubber(s)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sil-Glyde is still marketed by NAPA and is still a pretty good lube and dressing, but
I do not believe you will find that it soaks in like Gummi. I use Sil-Glyde on things
wear a plastic part rubs a metal part, as regular grease can
damage some plastics...example, the runners on my sun roof.
David in Richmond, VA
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Subject: Re: [UUC] Softening your rubber(s)
Gummiphlege works. I git turned on to it by postings last fall and it took the
spueekies away from the door mouldings on the E36 when raising and lowering moldings.
I gave the hood, trunk and rest of the door moldings a coat of it, and after a few
months they were restored to an almost as new suppleness.
So I gave it a shot on one of the door side moldings to see if it woudl soak into that
too, and it brought a bit of the original deeper black color back to the molding.
Don't know what you're dealer's asking price is, but here its about $8.00 a tube
on the marked up gotcha by the family jewels only game in town dealership parts
department price list.
Barry
BMWBits wrote:
>What has your experience been in keeping door seals , underhood seals
>etc soft and supple ??
>BMW sells (or sold ?..rumor has it no longer available ?) stuff called
>Gummiflege -alt spelling Gummipflege?- for supposedly keeping things
>greased and tender . Anyone know what's in that stuff to make it worth
>the dealers asking price ??
>
>What prompts the question is my discovery recently of a 'Merican made
>product that purportedly does pretty much the same thing BUT it has
>silicone in it -note that "e" on the end ...much slippier stuff than
>silicon! Called SIL-GLYDE made by American Grease Stick Co, Muskegon,
>Mich 49443 with a copyright date on this 8oz tube of 1972. (Viva the
>local flea market eh ?). Amongst all the virtues expounded on the tube
>it states 'harmless to rubber' but in the fine print it
>readeth..'observe usual prepaint procedures'..so that gives warning that
>Silicone is forever and paint wont stick to it . See US Patent
>3,036,002 for more details .
>
>So I tried it on two of doors on my rustfree 89 750il that has had its
>share of sunshine here in the South .....seals weren't bad in any way to
>start with ...man did that stuff dress them up in a hurry !! Hafta wait
>a while to see if it soaks in at all , but it sure did make them look
>nice !!
>
>So my question is ...is there silicone in BMWs stuff too ?? Or did I
>just commit a cardinal sin ??
>
>Bill Proud
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:14:36 -0400
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yeah, I guess they're only a few bucks more than the RE750s, but the
RE750s are already more than I really want to spend. Of the two I think
the RE750s are probably better for my needs as far as wear, ride
quality, and temperature range.
Thanks for the tip on Costco, but the nearest one is 20 miles from me so
I'm not likely to get much use out of a membership. Even if I could get
the tires for $45 less than anywhere else I'd just break even.
Brian
Maverick wrote:
>I am using the BFG KDW's in 225/50-16 and 245/45-16 on my ti and love them. I think
>they would fill all your requirements, except maybe price. Local best deal, even
>beats tirerack, is COSTCO. I can get them for about $520 a set and the mount and
>balance for a few bucks more. Actually they do a great job here, I have watched them
>work.
>
>I love the tires...just don't run them in cold weather and especially on snow/ice...a
>real "E" ticket ride.
>
>David in Richmond, VA
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:37:09 -0400
From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: E36 needs new shoes - Anybody know anything about the
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yeah, I realize the treadwear ratings are somewhat subjective, but they
do provide at least some indication. The OE Pilot HX MXMs had a 140
treadwear rating and I was shocked at how fast the rears wore especially
considering that while I probably drive the car a little harder than the
average driver I don't think I drive it *that* hard. This time I'm
looking for something that wears significantly better.
I can understand why you require AA traction grade, what benefit do the
nylon cap plies provide that you consider them indispensable?
Thanks,
Brian
Gary Derian wrote:
>Treadwear grades are based on a 7200 mile test, then
>set by the nmarketing department. They are OK for a
>general guide, but the confidence limit is low.
>
>I have BFG BFG GForce KDWS on my wife's 525iT and
>Traction T/A on the E30 beaters. The GForce is rather
>stiff and is way more tire than she needs. The
>Traction T/A are pretty good for the money.
>
>I have two requirements for tires, an AA traction
>grade and nylon cap plies over the steel belts.
>
>Gary Derian
>
>
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