I have resisted commenting on the California recall litigation, but this is
really too much.  I cannot let pass the assertion that "the need for
finality and closure in electoral processes" somehow should shield the
recall from legal challenges.  I'm not sure what it looks like from Harvard
Yard, but as a California voter myself, I find the recall itself a gross
perversion of the public's interest in "finality and closure of elections,"
and the recall itself fundamentally endangers the public's "opportunity to
change its leaders at specified time periods."  We had such an opportunity
last November.  That a disgruntled minority of my notoriously inattentive
and politically tuned-out fellow California citizens (probably including
many who, unlike me, didn't even bother to vote last November) signed
petitions demanding a recall vote does not create a very weighty "public
interest" in holding this recall on Oct. 7 rather than March.  At least as
balanced against the serious threatened harms to constitutional equal
protection rights, any such interest is vanishingly slight.  When weighed
against the obvious inequities of using inferior vote-counting machines in
almost half the state (a half that is disproportionately racial minorities
who disproportionately oppose the transparent rightwing power grab behind
this recall) the equities clearly favor postponement.

I really don't see how those who support going ahead with the recall despite
the very serious constitutional objections asserted against it, can argue
with anything other than a very red face that Bush v Gore could possibly
have been correct or should be taken seriously.  The 9th circuit panel
decision was riveted most convincingly to a perfectly reasonable application
of Bush v Gore (if such is possible).  But apparently the principles behind
Bush v Gore are only applicable in the case of an election process that
appears to threaten Republican political interests.

I mean really!  It's OK for the US Supreme Court to stop a presidential vote
recount and tip the decision in a national presidential election, but it
would be an intolerable disruption merely to POSTPONE for a few months (TO a
regularly scheduled election date!) a state recall election that no one (to
begin with) had any rightful expectation would take place at all, much less
as soon as Oct. 7?

Conservatives screamed bloody murder in Florida 2000 that the Florida courts
and officials were violating state law in the recount.  Funny, I've heard
few if any complaints from conservatives about how rushing the ballot
propositions onto the Oct. 7 recall ballot (after they had been scheduled
more than a year before to appear on the March 2004 ballot) blatantly
violates the notice and deadline requirements for circulating the ballot
pamphlets in advance of elections, under California state law.  California
law says ballot propositions should be put on the next "available" election
ballot.  Why was Oct. 7 ever deemed "available" when it was too late to
comply with state law deadlines?  Judge Thomas's 9th circuit panel opinion
convincingly explained that Secretary of State Shelley violated state law at
least as to the ballot propositions.  Even some of the en banc judges in
oral argument Monday seemed to concede that virtually no reason at all had
been given why the ballot propositions needed to be rushed onto the Oct. 7
ballot.  They wouldn't even take effect, if passed, until January 2005!

Bryan Wildenthal
Thomas Jefferson School of Law

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:15 PM
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I don't mean to dwell on the obvious, but it is likely that many of the
apparent weaknesses of the opinion are due to the fact that it is
unanimous. What we see is the lowest common denominator that 11 judges of
widely differing ideologies could agree on.

 As to the Greg's point regarding the balancing of burdens, I think the en
banc court's more powerful argument is not that of financial expense, but
that of the need for finality and closure in electoral processes. The
search for complete or near-complete equality in ballot technology could
result in lengthy postponements of numerous elections. Such postponements
could undermine the right to vote as much or more so than defective
technology. After all, the purpose of voting is not only to have your vote
"count" but to ensure that the electorate has the opportunity to change
its leaders at specified time periods.  Moreover, the interest in swift
finality is particularly strong in the case of a recall, the whole point
of which is to allow voters the opportunity to rid themselves of an
allegedly harmful incumbent sooner rather than later.



On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Gregg Miller wrote:

> Perhaps fascile wasn't the most appropriate word (I know I misspelled it -
> that was a typing error).  Perhaps disingenuous is more what I am
thinking.
> I have a hard time believing these judges would let economic interests
> prevail over the right to vote, or that the burden of having to vote again
> is somehow greater than the danger one's vote won't count at all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregg Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CA9 takes case in banc
>
>
> So, it's probably just me, but it seems as if the 9th Circuit produced a
> particularly facile analysis of the balancing of the interests in the en
> banc opinion.  Could it be they are daring the Supremes to reverse them?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scarberry, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:46 PM
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> Subject: Re: CA9 takes case in banc
>
>
> No, I don't think so, because the mandate has not issued (or effectively
was
> recalled). In the absence of issuance of the mandate, the panel's opinion
> has no effect on the parties, I think. Per Judge Thomas's order of Sept.
16,
> the mandate is not to issue except on further order of the court (as I
noted
> in an earlier post).
>
> Per the court's web site the hearing is set for Monday 1pm Pacific Time.
The
> en banc panel will consist of Chief Judge Schroeder, and Judges Kozinski,
> O'Scannlain, Kleinfeld, Tashima, Silverman, Graber, McKeown, Gould,
Tallman
> and Rawlinson.
>
> See http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov. Click on "En Banc Court Information."
>
> Mark S. Scarberry
> Pepperdine University School of Law
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Issacharoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: CA9 takes case in banc
>
> I notice the order says that the decision is not to be cited as precedent
> to not only the Ninth Circuit, but any district court in the Ninth
Circuit.
> Under Ninth Circuit procedure, does this include not being "cited" to the
> district court that refused to stay the election?  If so, is this the
> functional equivalent of lifting the stay?
>
> ******************************************
> Samuel Issacharoff
> Harold R. Medina Professor in Procedural Jurisprudence
> Columbia Law School
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> The order taking the case in banc is available at
>
>
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/F656D78784F3200988256DA60063
> 06FE/$file/recall_enbanc.pdf?openelement
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>
> I notice that the order does not vacate the panel decision, but rather
> decrees that it not be cited as precedent in the Ninth Circuit.  Is that
> the Ninth Circuit's usual practice?  My understanding was that most courts
> of appeals vacated the panel decision upon deciding to rehear the case in
> banc, reflecting the view that the court of appeals (whether held by a
> panel or sitting in banc) is a unitary court exercising appellate review
> over the district court (or administrative agency).  An alternative view
> might be that the in banc court exercises appellate jurisdiction over the
> panel.  The difference in how the in banc court is conceptualized can
> matter if the in banc court divides evenly, but thankfully that should not
> be an issue with an eleven member "in banc panel."
>
>
> Ed Hartnett
> Seton Hall
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