It seems to me that neither Musk and Thiel are interested in the unknown. They
are interested in doing things they can already imagine. For Musk I thought
that was because it is how he raises money. Now I think he is not imagining
consciousness in a, say, a transporter pattern buffer, he imagines life on the
Enterprise bridge in his body. Rockets are comparatively science fictiony for
people that can't imagine transport without a car, so he gets some points for
that.
> On Nov 13, 2023, at 10:11 AM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's an interesting parallel between the Stross and Gellman pieces:
> Stross both laments and implicitly appreciates the bureaucracy of getting a
> book published, where Thiel's aggrieved by the bureaucracy of societal
> evolution.
>
> It reminds me of the engineering-vs-biology dichotomy (yes, false, like all
> of them) I came to appreciate after being exposed to enough biomimetics (to
> kill a horse). Some of us see the world and think about how to change it,
> build a better world ... or perhaps destroy the world, whatever floats your
> inner engineer. And some of us see the world and are awestruck, hypnotized,
> baffled by its qualities (whether beautiful or horrifying). It's easy to give
> the latter a pass and denigrate the former when confronted with, say,
> butterflies or the Grand Canyon. And it's easy to give the former a pass when
> confronted with poverty and war.
>
> But the next time you're at the DMV or arguing with some poor sucker manning
> the phones at the IRS, it can be useful to remember the falseness of the
> dichtomy. Similarly, when all you want to do is sleep under the stars and
> those damned gnats keep homing into your ears, it can be useful to think like
> an engineer.
>
> Policy and science fiction aren't that far apart.
>
>> On 11/10/23 13:46, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> original.png
>> Peter Thiel Is Taking a Break From Democracy
>> <https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-thiel-2024-election-politics-investing-life-views/675946/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share>
>
>> On 11/10/23 11:26, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>> Text of Charlie Stross' talk to Next Frontiers Applied Fiction Day in
>> Stuttgart on Friday November 10th, 2023, concerning where the
>> techno-industrial elite found their horrible philosophies/secular religions.
>> https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html
>
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